Talk:Opie and Anthony/Archive 1

Tuesday Night Hummer Club
To whomever keeps removing the Tuesday Night Hummer Club info - this was a huge part of the show and belongs in the article unless there is a good reason to keep it out. Tufflaw 04:28, May 10, 2005 (UTC)

Jimmy Norton
Norton is commonly called a frequent guest in the article. I would call him a co-host. He's in 90% of the shows. CaptainAmerica 04:50, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * How is he referred to on the show? Tufflaw 20:50, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, they joke about him riding their coattails to success. Still, he's more of a co-host. What point does a 'regular guest' become a 'co-host' or 'sidekick'? CaptainAmerica 04:22, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Is he paid to be on the show? Tufflaw 04:45, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * I think so. Not the 30 million that O&A get, but he probley gets some money for it. CaptainAmerica 18:04, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * There should be a way to find out - he's not listed on the official site as a host of the show, he's listed as a "friend of the show" along with Vos, etc. He may be an extremely frequent guest, but I don't think he's considered a co-host. Tufflaw 04:23, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
 * JImmy definately gets paid well by the show - it has been stated many times on the show. He is an employee of XM Radio, as he personally refers to Eric Logan as his boss and had a whole bit created around him having to go to sensitivity training (which was a joke played on him by O&A).
 * he is definately a co-host... remember his idea to rename the show "norton & friends" ? --Kvuo 18:56, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * He's referred to constantly as the "third-mic" a very often used phrase in radio for a co-host not named in a show's title. Change the article, this is a ridiculus discussion.

Lewis Black
He's not dead to the show, and the section with "were also regular guests on the Opie and Anthony Show. Neither Clay, Breuer nor Black appear on the XM version;" is true except for Lewis, he has been on the show recently.
 * When was he on the show recently? I must have missed that one... O&A have said multiple times that Black is dead to the show, after he went on Stern in NYC and didn't come on O&A a few months ago. Bbatsell 04:02, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that Lewis is dead to the show. The last time I heard him was months ago on a call-n, before the Stern appearance.  Lewis has also been removed from Foundry's "friends of the show" links.  That speaks volumes, IMO.  --Haborym 07:17, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Minor Peeve:
I've noticed that many of the high/low lights are entered in present tense and, as time passes, they don't really work well in context. Things like "Opie, Anthony, Jim Norton, and friends of the show are starting an online auction" and "Beginning September 12, 2005 Ron and Fez will broadcast weekdays" seem dated now. Anyone care to update their entries, or have any problems with my going through and fixing them? --Haborym 07:17, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

I also think that "Ramone" is spelled wrong. Take out the "e" at the end. --AFBlue

Background:
This section is pretty lacking. It goes from talking about OnA getting together at WBAB immediately to their being fired from WAAF. Foundry has a great history of OnA. Can we include this as background, or at least incorporate some of that information into this background. The background we have now has holes big enough for Ben's Hog to slip through. Can we contact Ben to see if we can swipe some of the Foundry stuff? --Haborym 07:33, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Go for it slacker. Foundry might not be the most upstanding source for O&A Material, but it's indeniably the most reliable. Might want to check with Martini Steve though. --Payneos 8:40, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
 * check out the first few lines of the Background section now. i guess the zombies have problems spelling "experiment." if you're going to vandalize, at least take a few spelling classes. there's no "a" in "experiment."
 * We can fix it when it gets unprotected. I requested the protection to try to get some respite from the constant barrage of vandalism from a bunch of IPs.  Wikibofh 23:21, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I got a hold of Tony who locked the page and had him fix it. AHSports 24 September 2005

68.38.63.172
I'm not sure if user 68.38.63.172 is a fan or not, but they are vandalizing the page. Please stop. --Haborym 00:59, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Pests:
Please don't screw with the article "willy-nilly". Wikipedia is supposed to be a real encyclopedia. Edit the article properly at least. --Kvuo 01:40, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
 * And I might add, true wikipedians can revert and erase obvious vandalism in 4 clicks, so don't waste your time. --Kvuo 02:58, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not a pest and i am not vandalizing Wikipedia but people keep erasing everything I put in there. May be they just mistake me and think I am trying to plug a site or something. I understand -- User:
 * there are several O&A fans from wackbag.com (pests) that have took it upon themselves to start vandalizing all howard stern related articles, and O&A articles too.. none of them understand wikipedia, so I figure vigilant rv's will apparently be the course of the day for some time until they realize what a waste of time wiki-vandalism is.. --Kvuo 02:27, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I understand now. I will delete the post i made above this one about "don't delete". I thought it was stern fans erasing my stuff or something. Its alright now.

Paul but no Denise?
Shouldn't Denise also be listed as a character? The reason for Paul's racism and his "no-filter" label is mainly the actions of Denise. Plus it is not noted that Paul is Norton's merchandise manager for eatabullet.com. Going further on this topic, why is Ben not mentioned as the exec. producer, but there are references to Ben's Hog? And where are E-Lo, Stray-Lo, etc. and Master Po? Club Soda Kenny? The supporting cast is much larger and needs to be added. ConciergeMike 19:17, 8 October 2005 (UTC)ConciergeMike

Awesome Garrett
I heard he is a producer for some show now. Any ideas?

Forums Links
There seems to be a dispute over what forum links should be included. If O&A forum links are being included, then they should be. Not just the ones that certain people disire. People looking to learn about Opie & Anthony (which is why they'd look it up in a wikipedia)should have access to views and opinions of more than just the heavily censored forums that offer only one opinion. --Attention Whore
 * Agreed. I consistently remove links to forums, as I do not believe they're generally of any use to people researching the topics of articles. Obviously there are exceptions (for example, articles about forums, or forums that specifically exist to help people), but I will not miss the links here, certainly. As far as I'm concerned, they're here largely to advertise themselves. &mdash; HorsePunchKid &rarr;&#x9F9C; 05:54, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Generally, forums are non-notable. However, Wackbag (along with a couple of others) is most definitely notable if only because O&A address them, post on them, and read from them nearly daily on their program.  A forum with just over 5,000 posts is not a notable link. --bbatsell |  &laquo; give me a ring &raquo;  06:13, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Frenchy: "He no longer appears on the program"
Frenchy HAS been on the show recently, just infrequently, so that's incorrect, and shouldn't have been reversed.
 * oh really, when was the last time? was he mentioned as Frenchy by the boys? you are incorrect sir.
 * The latest mention was during the Halloween broadcast. That recent enough for ya?
 * oh you mean the halloween broadcast which wasn't even supposed to be on the radio? how about you reference a time recently where he either called into the show or was an in studio guest? Go Back to the dump on Staten Island.
 * Gosh, it WAS on the radio wasn't it? So, there goes your argument, but for another nail in the coffin, there was the in studio film readings. Plain and simple, Frenchy isn't dead to the show. he just appears infrequently. Personally, I don't care for him, and it seems you really don't, but when I correct a factual error, I don't expect it to be reversed on the basis of personal dislike alone. Again, "He no longer appears on the program" is a factual error which needs to be corrected. Toodles
 * Oh the in studio readings which were a worst of from early in 2005? you have failed again you useless nothing. he is dead to the show. he is never mentioned on air by O&A during a normal radio broadcast, other than a worst of (that satisfy you jackass?), they never do impersinations of him like they used to, he is dead to the show. bye sweetie
 * People let's please try to remember WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. Also please sign your messages with four tildes like this: ~ . This will automatically add your name and the time after your comments. Thanks! Tufflaw 04:56, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * how is he dead to the show? Its not like Anthony's girlfriend did anything with him. Like the Spaz thing.

Beware of Trolls
This Wiki is under attack from SFN. The gossip about Anthony's girlfriend does not belong here. 
 * Uhm, gossip, are you talking about the spaz lobster incident? That's not gossip, that is true. I say that as a fan of the Opie & Anthony Show. There IS audio of it. If you need proof of this, just send me an email, and I'll send you the audio... again, I say this as a fan of the Opie & Anthony show, and not a troll from a board who gives people "The Gay". --IAMTHEPEOPLESCHAMP 16:16, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * i'd also like to add this question: why did one troll decide to vandalize the Sporting News Radio page? What possible reason would one have to think that Sporting News Radio has any affilation with O&A? --IAMTHEPEOPLESCHAMP 16:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * the Spaz/Melinda thing should be included in the Opie and Anthony article. It shouldn't be censored, Spaz was a big part of the show. And that bit was big, no matter how much Anthony hates Spaz now.

-- Flash Virus

False Information Abounds
People keep editing this page to create false infomation. Although Wiki insists that no more than 3 reverts be made in 24 hours by any one individual it is obvious that more than that must be done to combat vandilism. I can change my IP as much as I please to keep this page factual and unadulterated by SFN trolls. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.236.39.17 (talk &bull; contribs).
 * Continued Edits and POV are starting to become a problem. Have requested assistance on the matter but who knows if that will change anything. (Countzer 17:44, 10 February 2006 (UTC))
 * This whole article is filled with tons of lies and biased personal opinions from Opie & Anthony fans. There is no encyclopedia type information here. Just an advertisement article filled with lies. Redd Dragon 19:41, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I would like to know what Red Dragon considers lies. Name them if you can. There are no lies, and no biased opinion. We are dealing with straight up fact, and verifiable information.  Nice attempt

at spin, but you are failing to make an impression on this entry. (Countzer 21:47, 10 February 2006 (UTC))

Continued Removal of External Links
Tufflaw posits that wikipedia is not a collection of links, and I agree. However, five links to highly relevant external resources does not a collection make. These links are regularly mentioned on the show. Also, please reference the randomly selected TV shows Oprah, Saturday Night Live, and The Family Guy. There are many more external links on these pages. (68.236.39.17 21:44, 10 February 2006 (UTC))
 * Per WP:EL: "Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such. In extreme cases, a link to a web directory of fansites can replace this link. (Note: fanlistings are generally not informative and should not ordinarily be included.)" (Emphasis added.) Tufflaw 01:37, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Right now that is a proper listing, let's face it. wackbag is most relevant messageboard, and o&a.com and FM are the only official sites, so they should be the only 3 to be there. Of course people are going to change it though. Whether you like the links or not, simply read WP:EL, and stop causing trouble. --IrisKawling 03:39, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok but OAVirus.com is not a fan site per say but a collection of downloadable show bits. This is relevant and a good resource for anyone who is attempting to learn about Opie and Anthony.  I am rv to include this important link.  Also, if editing out irrelevant links is so important have you edited the links on the Wiki entries I have used as examples? (Count Zero 07:07, 12 February 2006 (UTC))
 * Forums and Messageboards play a big part in the Opie and Anthony show. I think it is important to add boards like OpAcktool, Opieanthony.net, etc.. (Flash Virus

NPOV TAG
I am removing the tag as it was placed by a repeated vandal, who has not discussed it yet on this talk page. (Count Zero 22:27, 10 February 2006 (UTC))

We need some consensus
This is getting a little ridiculous with the constant bickering and revert warring. I think we need to really work on making this a legitimate article with information that we can all agree on. We need to eliminate the POV and the excess garbage, and try to just provide some useful information about Opie and Anthony, keeping in mind that this is NOT a fan site, but an encyclopedia article. It might be wise to work on the article section by section, rather than all at once. It might be a good idea for an admin to temporarily protect the page while this is happening. Thoughts? Tufflaw 02:46, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well my so called censorship, which I call rv Attentionwhore's vandalism is the removal of phrases such as this "has since been used as little more then an awful pun-using puppet, and occasionally used to knock Howard Stern's "I invented everything" claims. It's been a while since we've heard from Liddy."
 * Which is obvious POV. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black (Count Zero 01:54, 16 February 2006 (UTC))

External Links on O&A's Page
Hey. The links to O&A's sites and fan sites are being posted up there and deleted almost daily. Please stop doing this. Only delete something if the site doesn't exist anymore. But the fan sites Wackbag.com,Opieanthony.net, Opacktool.com, etc.. are all still there, no need to take them off.
 * As I've mentioned before, please read WP:EL. Thank you. Tufflaw 03:09, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Attentionwhore, POV and Vandalism
The repeated edits to this page by Attentionwhore are vandalism Below is the breakdown of his changes, while he claims that I am vandalizing the page. Laughable.

Removal of Relevant Broadcast Information "-	The live broadcast is also included free in a set of XM Satellite Radio channels included with DirecTVsatellite TV service.	 -		 -	The Opie and Anthony show also offers live in studio web cam broadcast via the pay service PalTalk. The in studio web cameras were recently placed on 24 hour feed due to interns of the Ron and Fez show disturbing the show's equipment. 	 -		 -	Additionally, Opie and Anthony show archives, as well as best of CD's can now be downloaded from Audible.com. "

Attentionwhore Tell 'em Fred", which has led to the subsequent over-usage of the familiar show term

Countzer Tell 'em Fred", which has led to the subsequent usage of the familiar show term

Attentionwhore In December 2005 Opie announced there will be no more golden tickets, and the concept has not been mentioned since.

Countzer In December 2005 Opie announced there will be no more golden tickets, and the concept has rarely been mentioned since, except by callers.

Attentionwhore The Removal of ALL classic O & A moments without discussion on the talk page.

Attentionwhore Removal of a link to an audio Database of O&A clips, highly relevant for anyone curious about what they do. -	http://www.OAVirus.com OAVIRUS Classic O&A audio

Attentionwhore Removal of these catagories which are relevant -	Category:American radio personalities|Cumia, Anthony -	Category:American radio personalities|Norton, Jim -	Category:American radio personalities|Hughes, Greg
 * You're right CountZero. I apologize. I've just been reverting back to the stuff you're attempting to censor out.  I'll add the stuff again by editing, and then there should be no problem with you removing it again, correct?  -- Attention Whore

Opieandanthony.com Header Image
The image is too wide and screws up the layout of the article for users with low screen resolutions. Furthermore, the use of the full-size header in it's original resolution does not qualify as fair use. Love, 70.237.90.43 05:24, 16 February 2006 (UTC) God
 * You can reduce the size, but do not delete content from articles. Thanks. &asymp; jossi &asymp; t &bull; @ 05:35, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Is that why you deleted half of the page 70.237.90.43 aka "God"?
 * I did not do that on purpose, I accidentally hit the "Save Page" button and pressed stop right away. That is why I corrected my mistake right away. By the way: please learn to sign your comment, mighty mysterious person you. I have a hunch you might be "Angry Typing Guy." 70.237.90.43 06:11, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup needed
This article is a disaster. I'm going to try to start working through, section by section, to make it more encyclopedic and professional. Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome. Tufflaw 22:01, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Daily events do not need to be added as this is not a show recap. Do we really need to write that the Paltalk cameras are on 24 hours a day because of Ron & Fez interns playing with equipment? Attention whore 23:37, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Do we really need any mention of that stupid program at all in this article?--XMBRIAN 23:37, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * For the time being, I put that anyone wanting more features to the show can find them listed at O&A.Com.--XMBRIAN 23:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I re-added the info re: audible.com and the paltalk cameras, paltalk is a huge part of the show and show be included - as for the Ron and Fez stuff, that is the reason why the cameras are on 24 hours a day (although whether that little tidbit is really necessary is up for debate).  The fact that everything can be found at audible.com is similarly extremely relevant to anyone looking for info on this show.  The O&A.com link is in the External Links section. Tufflaw 17:34, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * If someone is looking to learn about O&A, is it important WHY the PalTalk cameras on 24 hours a day? If we talk about every little incident, then we have to discuss why Lisol is in the studio, why the Jeigermeister machine was removed, why they put up shades, etc... Not everything is should know info. Attention whore 05:23, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I removed that part. Tufflaw 18:51, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

NPOV
I re-added the NPOV because this article is not neutral. It is filled with POV comments. For example: "Scott Ferrall - Once a friend of O & A, when Ferrall took a job at Sirius, he sided with Stern and began to bash Opie and Anthony. After a number of comments provoking O & A, the pests were called upon to take care of him via call-ins to his trial shows on Sirius. Scott Ferrall is most known for his fast, nonsensical style of rambling which makes up the majority of his show." That’s just one example. This article is filled with paragraphs like these. Redd Dragon 02:25, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * You clearly should have an NPOV on your talk page, as it's riddled with "Stern Fan" and "Sirius Subscriber" on it. That's what happened. Ferrall started saying rather disparraging things about Opie and Anthony, so Opie and Anthony used their so called "Army" to hit back. Moreover, Ferrall's show is fast paced, nonsensical, and that's what made him what he is. That's his radio gimmick. Payneos 02:54, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * "Scott Ferrall is most known for his fast, nonsensical style of rambling which makes up the majority of his show." That is a point of view. Redd Dragon 04:10, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * That is a fact, though. Listen to the show, you have Sirius, you can do that now. It's his TRADEMARK STYLE, it's not an opinion, it's a fact. Payneos 04:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Saying that something is "nonsensical" is an opinion. And the Scott Ferrall incident can be taken two different ways by two different points of view. Scott Ferrall gets fired for defending O&A. Then O&A get a gig at SIRIUS, and they don't hire him (like they said they would), then he takes a small jab at them on his site and the next thing you know-- Anthony flips out and calls for a radio war. Then he explains himself- signs with sirius, and then O&A say that he was never funny and hes a hack now. Two sides to the story. I just think it should be more neutral, not on any side. Flash Virus 9:04, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The problem is flash virus is always on the wrong side.
 * Ferral claims this as his own style, and repeatedly states so during his broadcasts. This is not POV.  However history will show Redd Dragon repeated POV edits to this page as well as others.  I am removing POV tag and reverting to older edits on quite a few sections.  This is what happens when one goes on vacation. (Count Zero 00:17, 21 February 2006 (UTC))
 * The person who added the POV check to this page also added.
 * O&A are a virus, and once contracted, there is no cure. The O&A virus causes AIDS and sufferers soon die.
 * That my friends... is POV (68.163.23.224 04:04, 21 February 2006 (UTC))

Wicklin
Can anyone confirm this? Tufflaw 15:02, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
 * He's been mentioned on the show often back in late 2004 through mid 2005, when the bugs in the phone system were running rampant, as well as all road shows, especially New Orleans of '05. Payneos 00:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)