Talk:Opposition (Australia)

Rename?
If the former title is "no longer used", then why is it the article title? I think we should have some sort of citation before using "Her Majesty's Loyal. . .", since I certainly have never encountered such a usage anywhere, not even in formal contexts. Lacrimosus 09:45, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * See below @ "Hyper-officialese: Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition". --   Jack of Oz   [Talk]  08:38, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

List
Why does NZ and Canada for instance has a list of Opposition Leaders in this encycylopedia while this article does not for Australia.
 * ...because we have List of Australian Opposition Leaders. Ambi 06:26, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Sorry did not notice it.

From Naming conventions (common names)

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Thus the page move. Tannin 09:12, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Offical Term?
Is "opposition" really some sort of offical term? Isn't it just part of convention?220.253.12.86 08:18, 2 October 2005 (UTC)


 * A lot of things in the parliamentary system are both "official" and convention. As far as this goes, yes, the Opposition is an official body - it receives resources and funding, and the Leader of the Opposition has an official position in the Order of Precedence.  In Parliament House, there is a Government Party Room and an Opposition Party Room.


 * An example is the Queensland Parliament - up until a week ago the Liberal and National parties were not in coalition, so the position of "official" opposition went to the Nationals alone. Slac  speak up!  09:48, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Coalition Update
The Liberals and the Nationals in Queensland are now in coalition again, so I presume that together they form the Opposition. I've changed the document to suit. Black Regent 18:02, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Hyper-officialese: Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition
The last time someone objected to this terminology, the editor who changed it back said [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Opposition_(Australia)&diff=prev&oldid=471813839 ''her majesty's most loyal opposition. it's official. if you dont like it please gain consensus''].

Well, I don't like it. That may be what the UK Opposition is formally known as, but not all Westminster terminology has translated to the Australian context. I've never come across this wording in any official document, and that includes legislation. We tend to hear it from traditionalist organisations (monarchists, RSL, etc; John Howard used it in 2009, but that can surely be put down to intentional use of what we might call generous language).

Loyal opposition says that in Australia the phrase "is also employed in state legislatures". I'd venture that it's used officially only in those places (if at all), but never in the federal context. That I've ever heard of.

Here's an extract from the current (6th) edition of Odgers' House of Representatives Practice. The only reference to the term "Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition" is at footnote 217 on page 78, which refers to the sentence "The recognition of ‘Her Majesty’s Opposition’ in Britain is believed to have originated in the early 19th century", and says "The term ‘Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition’ was also used" (note the use of past tense). --  Jack of Oz   [Talk]  08:38, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Jlgx50, again see above. The fact that the UK does something does not automatically extend it to the entire Commonwealth as you seem to think. Ivar the Boneful (talk) 12:49, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

I think it's time we added "His Majesty's Loyal Opposition as bold in the titles, you can't claim that the title hasn't carried over from the UK to Australia then further in the text make reference as 'Some times used" it's either used or isn't used. the title might not be used but the Australian opposition is HM opposition because if they weren't that would mean they are in opposition of the crown. you might not like it due to republican sentiment but they are His majesty's loyal opposition in Australia.