Talk:Optimus Prime/Archive 1

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Please provide an explanation for how this image aids "in selecting between articles", as required by Manual_of_Style_%28disambiguation_pages%29, before returning it. --EEMeltonIV 04:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

RfC

 * The disambig. page MOS states that images on disambiguation pages should "aid in selecting between articles".
 * Two editors dispute whether Image:Allops.JPG meets that requirement.
 * One editor continuously removes the image, asking on this talk page, on the adding editor's talk page, and in edit summaries that an explanation for how the picture meets the MOS standard be provided on this talk page. This editor also states that the image does not include a fair-use rationale for its inclusion here.
 * Another editor continues to revert the image's presence with an explanation for its inclusion in his/her edit summaries.

--06:27, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe in this case the image doesn't hurt nor help the disamb page. Taking in account the debatable fair-use, I would go with not using the image.Xuxunette 09:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Pictures of the various versions of Optimus Prime could "aid in selecting between articles" for people who don't know much about the franchise or have only seen one picture or the other. The picture in question however is much too jumbled to make out which version is which and serves more to confuse than to help.--Mirage GSM 11:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Use of non-free images here would be a violation of policy, not just the Manual of Style. Use of copyrighted images on disambiguation pages is an express violation of WP:NFCC. See the first sentence of WP:NONFREE. Videmus Omnia Talk  16:49, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was no consensus. @harej 00:29, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Optimus Prime → Optimus Prime (The Transformers) &mdash; See talk page - to either (Transformer) or (original). &mdash; Eh! Steve (talk) 13:37, 31 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Megatron → Megatron (The Transformers)
 * Starscream → Starscream (The Transformers)
 * Ultra Magnus → Ultra Magnus (The Transformers)
 * Cliffjumper → Cliffjumper (The Transformers)
 * Rodimus → Rodimus (The Transformers)

Or:


 * Optimus Prime → Optimus Prime (original)
 * Ultra Magnus → Ultra Magnus (original)
 * Megatron → Megatron (original)
 * Rodimus → Rodimus (original)
 * Cliffjumper → Cliffjumper (original)
 * Starscream → Starscream (original)

I've been talking about this for a while, but the fact that the G1 versions of these Transformers characters "own" the undisambiguated article names is a bit biased. Not only does this treat the G1 versions of the characters as "superior" and "definitive", which would be a big point of argument among Transfans (for example, the movie versions are more well-known but not necessarily more popular), but things would happen like little kids looking for the movie version of Prime getting redirected to a page on an old cartoon character they don't know about. Therefore, I suggested that the G1 pages be moved to disambiguated names, and that the undisambiguated names lead to disambiguation pages. After I've been trying to find a catch-all term for a disambiguator, eventually finding (The Transformers) or (original). While not all G1-related material carries the title "Generation 1", almost all G1 universe-related material except for Beast Wars (in which these characters aren't main characters) carries the title "The Transformers" (with the "The"), but if this is a bad disambiguator anyway then there's always (original) as a disambiguator. Lemme know what you think. If you don't like the disambiguators then you can always suggest new ones. --Eh! Steve (talk) 13:37, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

(NOTE: As of now, some of the pages were already moved before I realized there was no real consensus. The page move refers to the pages on the G1 characters. Also, I'm not requesting a move for Bumblebee's page since it's already disambiguated.)
 * I see you didn't bother waiting as you just went ahead and made all the moves without discussion anyways. I suggest an admin revert all of those moves first. I also laugh at your comment that the movie versions are more well-known, most of the people I saw going to the live-action movies just wanted to see an action flick and likely wouldn't remember the names.  TJ  Spyke   14:37, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I moved them because there was mild discussion before hand at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Transformers and, from experience, most of the things I suggested for moving/splitting Transformers pages were discussed at length by other users, so I just decided to save the trouble. (It was wrong to do so, though, and I won't do it again.) Also, my comment that the movie versions are the most well-known (as well as yours that people don't remember the names) is just speculation; there's no way to prove or disprove either, but the movies have definitely brought Transformers to a more mainstream audience than any other universe, even G1, and people who liked the movie would likely remember the names. Even Lil' Formers, which I think was written by a prominent movie-hater, acknowledged that Movie Prime is the most well-known Prime among children and general audiences. Yes, I know, G1 is the most well-known Transformers incarnation within the fanbase itself (as it's the basis for the entire fanbase), but not everyone who uses Wikipedia is a hardcore TF fan; as a mainstream website, Wikipedia should better reflect what mainstream audiences are looking for (which means that "Optimus Prime" shouldn't just mean "G1 Prime"). However, it would actually be worse if someone decided to use the undisambiguated names for the Movie characters, because they aren't the original versions and haven't been around for as long.--Eh! Steve (talk) 14:41, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I just moved the four articles to name (Transformers) as it is consistant with a dozen+ other Transformers articles already disambig'd. Please ignore the above request. Mathewignash (talk) 15:12, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that fixes the bias and is a major improvement. Cliffjumper and Rodimus haven't been moved yet, though, and I think I shouldn't because I wouldn't do it very well, as stated below. Could someone plz move those pages?--Eh! Steve (talk) 15:56, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * One of the reasons you should wait for the outcome of a requested move is that the people who close requested moves are more familiar (and in most cases perform) the necessary cleanup for the moves they implement. When you moved these articles, you orphaned multiple images and left numerous double redirects unfixed.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:46, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Every use of the name Optimus Prime that I have heard of, is in one of the various Transformers scenarios. Leave the plain name as the disambig page. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:26, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Optimus Prime (Transformers)
The Optimus Prime's from Unicron Trilogy and Transformers Animated were merged into Optimus Prime (other incarnations). Then that article was merged into Optimus Prime (Transformers), which redirected here because of one article sharing that title. Optimus Prime (Transformers) redirected here replacing it disambig content that the links redirect to here. Some info needs to be updated and summarized. Optimus Primal keeps a seperate article though. 71.162.98.85 (talk) 23:13, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Note: Talk:Optimus Prime (Transformers)'s box was moved here, because these ratings were for Disambig pages since this is now an article. 71.162.98.85 (talk) 23:15, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Longer than the article on prime numbers. Talk about WIKIGROANING.TurtleMelody (talk) 04:11, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Pack in comics
The Pack in comics section needs help from someone who knows more about it than I do. Edit the section to see details. Basically, there is a bunch of information, but not information on the subject. Sesame honey  tart  23:41, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Article Size
As of now, this article is 106 kB in size and 17565 words in length, not counting HTML code or references. According to Wikipedia: Article Size, an article should almost certainly be split as it nears 100kB. Because this article was created by merging other articles, maybe some of the explanations of what Prime does in each series can be summarized instead of drawn out?

Also, redirects to this page may have problems because several sections, such as "toys" and "animated series" appear multiple times. Therefore, redirects here to a certain animated series may be directed to the wrong one. Sesame honey  tart  13:53, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from, 30 October 2011
Please change Partner to Partners Add Sentinel Prime and Elita 1 as partners to Transformers animated Optimus Prime

68.96.197.246 (talk) 03:57, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The Partner vs Partners is something in the template so cannot be changed. But Who are all the partners for the one you are speaking of? --Jnorton7558 (talk) 18:30, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Why do Transformers articles have so many infoboxes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.13.112.253 (talk) 13:52, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Season 2 Prime/Rescue Bots
The Transformers: Prime section of this article needa to be updated with adding info on season 2 of the Prime series. Also, the Rescue Bots section also needs to be updated.71.162.103.239 (talk) 16:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Not done: You need to make a specific request, with a 'please change X to Y' degree of detail, to use the edit semi-protected template. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 21:09, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 April 2012
Under the "Beast Machines" heading, it describes what the two golden discs in the statue of Optimus Prime are. One of the descriptions is that he one them in a spelling bee. This sounds like a joke. I ask that this part of the sentence be removed. Thank you.

64.93.229.6 (talk) 16:50, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done It was unsourced, so I removed it. The whole section needs sources. If you could help with that, it would be appreciated! Thanks.  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 23:13, 10 April 2012 (UTC)


 * The spelling bee thing was from the Bob Skir web site, I added a link to a mirror of that site. As for the rest of the section, most of the plot from a TV series does NOT require a source, since the source is the show itself. You don't need a source outside the primary one to write plot synopsis. Mathewignash (talk) 23:46, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Prime Optimus
Since Transformers: Prime is the flagship series for the Aligned continuity, shouldn't we put a picture of Prime Optimus on the Transformers: Prime section, rather than a picture of War for Cybertron Optimus? Leader Vladimir (talk) 01:19, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 October 2012
I considered entering the following.

The title of "Prime" was passed down to Optimus, as the last of the original ten Prime's.

98.66.254.161 (talk) 15:05, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This request is vague. Please specify where in the article this should be added and provide a source for this requested change. &mdash;KuyaBriBri Talk 14:58, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

American underestimates a original Japanese designer.　Japanese designer is used like the shade.
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/4/0/5/9/7/LMC10020_1300778477.jpg

"According to Bob Budiansky, co-writer of the Transformers series, Dennis O'Neil was responsible for his name."

The American devised the name.(Because it is important, I describe it in the outstanding place. ).

The Japanese did original design(Please underestimated. Please do not put in a conspicuous place a dirty name.)

I have talked with an American in Skype. The Japanese copied "Optimus Prime" and made Gundam.

An atmosphere to exclude a original Japanese developer spreads. The American wants to delete existence of original Japanese designer. 220.104.48.126 (talk) 08:31, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Size split?
 Split  - I know that this already went through AfD, but recommend that toys, video games, etc. be split out due to size. Thoughts? Suggestions?--Jax 0677 (talk) 13:02, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 March 2013
Hey, I just wanna fix the part that says Optimus turns into an ion blaster (he obviously turns into a robot) Thanks

MaximusPrime2949 (talk) 23:53, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  TOW  talk  00:11, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 March 2013
Hello, I am requesting to edit the Optimus Prime page, which incorrectly states that when Optimus' main component transforms, it becomes an ion blaster. This is not true. The following is a reference from the page "http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Optimus_Prime_(G1)":

Before being rebuilt into a Powermaster, his robot mode split into three components: A sentient robot module, the Brain Center. A wheeled drone module known as Roller. A Combat Deck.

As you can see, the list states that Optimus Prime's first (and main) component transforms into a "sentinel robot module", called the "brain center". Optimus CARRIES an ion blaster; he does NOT turn into one (as Wikipedia states). If you could, please correct this. Thank you, MaximusPrime2949 (talk) 15:28, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

MaximusPrime2949 (talk) 15:28, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think that another wiki counts as a reliable source. Do you have another source?  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 16:19, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done per reference provided on my talk page. GoingBatty (talk) 02:29, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

The movie optimus prime toy is mistransformed, the smokestacks should be folded so that they are connected to the fuel tanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.8.60.75 (talk) 21:37, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

G1 Alternate Mode
The article currently states that the G1 OP truck mode was a Kenworth K100. But this is incorrect. The actual G1 alt mode was a White Freightliner design.

One key telltale difference would be the additional small rectangular air intake between the large radiator grill and the windshield. The Freightliners from the 1970s and '80s (and the G1 OP toy) had this; the Kenworths never have.

Another noteworthy difference is the shape of the wheelwells. In the Freightliner and G1 toy, the wheelwell rises up in front of the front wheel, crests over the wheel, and then descends down behind the wheel, forming a semi-circle around the front wheel. In the Kenworth, however, the wheelwell only rises up in front of the wheel, and then extends straight rearward all the way to the back of the cab, without ever curving downward; the Kenworth's wheelwell does not form a semi-circle around the front wheel.

--76.31.37.213 (talk) 01:52, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Inclusion of Seattle Seahawks player Richard Sherman
The Wikipedia pages for both Optimus Prime and Megatron have sections referring to their "cultural impact." While viewing these, the page for Megatron states that American football player Calvin Johnson of the Detroit Lions is nicknamed "Megatron." Television commentators have addressed him as Megatron, NFLShops.com has sold a blue "81" hat with simply the word "Megatron" on top of it, and ESPN made a "This Is Sportscenter" commercial a year or so ago with Johnson where he "transformed" into a soda machine, complete with sound effects. All fine and good.

Calvin Johnson plays the position of Wide Receiver, and is known for not only being the tallest WR in the league (6'5) but arguably the most dynamic WR in the game today. The defender that is the normal counterpart for a WR is a Cornerback, and as Johnson is highly regarded as the pinnacle of that position, Richard Sherman of the Seattle Seahawks is the pinnacle of the CB position. Yet even though there is mention of Johnson on the Megatron Wikipedia page, there is no such mention on the Optimus Prime Wikipedia page of Sherman.

In the 2012 season, the Seahawks traveled to Detroit to play the Lions, and the week before the game, Sherman changed his twitter page to reflect the name "Optimus Prime." Sources here: http://sports-kings.com/downanddistance/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Optimus-Prime.jpg http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/25/after-tweeting-trash-talk-to-brady-richard-sherman-turns-to-megatron/

The capper for this experience is that, during an interview with Sam Farmer of The Los Angeles Times in advance of the SEA@DET game, Farmer contacted a mutual friend with perennial Prime voice Peter Cullen and had Cullen call Sherman and wish him luck; in character. Source here: http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2012/10/28/richard-sherman-optimus-prime-peter-cullen-voice/1663743/

There have been several images promoting the idea of Sherman as Optimus Prime over the years since the buildup to that game. Sources: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A6KDQfWCMAA5bcP.jpg http://officialvolume12.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/sherman_optimus_article.jpg http://thewhistle.com/media/uploads/football/whistle_superbowl_optimusprime.jpg

And Sherman has been known to sign football/Seahawks memorabilia with "Optimus Prime" after his name. Sources: http://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server400/karer354/products/65512/images/138466/DSC01828__21399.1388718927.1280.1280.JPG?c=2 http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51W0MIpEu5L.jpg http://www.insidersportsdeals.com/Richard-Sherman-Autographed-Seattle-Seahawks-Nike-Jersey-Optimus-Prime_p_4253.html

Lastly, immediately after the Seahawks won Super Bowl XLVIII, Quarterback Russell Wilson went to check on Sherman, as Sherman exited the game early with an ankle injury. Before parting ways with Sherman, Wilson's exact words were "Optimus, I'll see ya." This footage is available on the NFL Seattle Seahawks Super Bowl dvd/blu-ray.

Bearing all of this in mind, I am requesting that a change be made to the "popular culture" section of the Wikipedia page for Optimus Prime similar to that of Megatron's whereby, in the same manner that Calvin Johnson is nicknamed "Megatron," Richard Sherman is nicknamed "Optimus Prime." Proposed change should be similar or identical to:

Seattle Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman is sometimes referred to by his fans as Optimus Prime.
 * Yes check.svg Done -- Mdann 52   talk to me!  11:23, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Missing Information
I can't edit the page or I'd do it myself. But Gary Chalk was an English voice actor for Optimus Prime during the entire Unicron Trilogy so I think that deserves at least as much credit as someone who recorded some lines for a talking toy. --24.16.218.57 (talk) 14:29, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

In the live action section is says OP was a Western Star 4900 in the movie Age of Extinction. it was a custom Western Star 5700XE. Please let me know if you need photo proof or images WesternStarOfficial (talk) 20:46, 17 April 2015 (UTC)Western Star OfficialWesternStarOfficial (talk) 20:46, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2015
For Transformers: Age of Extinction, Optimus Prime initially transforms into a rusty 1973 Marmon semi cab-over truck and later on a new alternate mode in a blue and red Western Star 4900 Custom Phantom semi-truck.[58][59] He has a new sword and shield, and rides a newly tamed Grimlock into battle through Hong Kong and kills Lockdown and Harold Attinger in the film's climax.[60][61]

should be changed to:

For Transformers: Age of Extinction, Optimus Prime initially transforms into a rusty 1973 Marmon semi cab-over truck and later on a new alternate mode in a blue and red Western Star 5700 Custom semi-truck.[58][59] He has a new sword and shield, and rides a newly tamed Grimlock into battle through Hong Kong and kills Lockdown and Harold Attinger in the film's climax.[60][61]

and 5700 should link to: http://www.westernstartrucks.com/Trucks/5700/default.aspx

Sources:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5o45zW_Nu4 http://www.trucknews.com/features/introducing-western-star-5700/ http://www.trucknews.com/equipment/western-star-gallery/1003059756/

Devanpdx (talk) 18:01, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Done. Not sure what the existing source of a Facebook photo related to Bumblebee was meant to source, has no relation to Optimus Prime. Found a second source as well that directly referred to the new look being based on the "upcoming model." There were plenty of others sources available though. -- ferret (talk) 01:42, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2015
I think the intro should read "formerly Orion Pax" not "formally".

125.239.164.40 (talk) 11:49, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

✅ thanks for pointing that out - Arjayay (talk) 11:58, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2016
Remove navbox Transformers film series template.

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Partners
This article lists a lot of people as 'partners' to Prime. A lot of these need to be removed. Only Roller and Hi-Q were his partners. Roller was included in his original toy and states their relationship in the original tech spec, and Hi-Q was with his Powermaster toy. Everyone else listed is not a partner. Several of them never even met Optimus Prime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Transfotaku (talk • contribs) 05:32, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Done, for the G1 incarnation. I haven't looked at the others yet. J I P  &#124; Talk 19:19, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey urn sorry but you have not included Dion SoundWave101 (talk) 18:55, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2017
Good Day. Requesting to Revise the introduction to the article The late baso (talk) 08:28, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
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Superhero
Can Optimus Prime be really considered a superhero? I know that in the G1 animated series and Transformers: Animated, Optimus could indeed fit the superhero archetype but I don't think superhero is a portrayal that could be universally applied to him; then again I could be wrong. What do you think? Leader Vladimir (talk) 16:07, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2018
79.153.95.133 (talk) 12:59, 20 December 2018 (UTC) optimus prime is a kenworth truck model K123
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Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2019
Optimus Prime is being voice by Hiro Diaz in Transformers: Rescue Bots Academy. 2606:6000:C3C5:1300:81F4:72F0:29A7:4CDE (talk) 07:31, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
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