Talk:Orange County, California/Archive 1

Business information
I think it would be helpful to add business section to this with notable businesses in the area. I'm not an expert since I'm not from the area, so if someone else knows more about it and is willing to take charge, let me know. Thanks. --Kaitlin510 (talk) 15:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Orange County Skinheads - Neo Nazi Movement
Should Orange County's problem with Neo Nazi gangs be mentioned in this article? Notably the PEN1 gang. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soladee (talk • contribs) 13:16, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Music Error
Black Flag is from Hermosa Beach and Sublime is from Long Beach. MB Style 02:51, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Politics
"In U.S. Politics, Orange County has long been typified as a bastion of conservative Republicanism. In fact, though, large numbers of Hispanics have made the county home."

What does the second sentence have to do with the first? Whatever it is, it should be made clearer than it is. - user:Montrealais


 * Historically, the hispanic population in this part of the country has been overwhelmingly pro-Democrat. This is changing somewhat however in recent years, the Republican party is gaining some ground. --Brion


 * Hispanics aren't the only ethnic group arrived in large numbers, but are one-third (or 35%) of the population. In the 1970's and 1980's, hundreds and thousands of Asians (Vietnamese, Korean, Chinese, Filipino and Thai) moved into Garden Grove, Westminster and western parts of Santa Ana, also a majority are Mexican and Central American.

It was true Orange county was once a place held as hostile to African Americans (the county was 80-90% white in 1970), but this attitude has changed since then and you may find black sections of Santa Ana, Buena Park, Cypress, Costa Mesa and La Habra that wasn't 20-25 years ago.

The racial diversity might shifted the county towards the Democrat side, but some are actually upper-middle class and hold conservative views on social and political issues. Many Vietnam war refugees, Central Americans and the Iranian community choose to vote Republican since the party was hard on communism and terrorism.

However, older generations of Mexican Americans, Asian Americans and the liberal elite voting bloc on the coastal cities vote for Democrats. It looks like Orange county is 50/50 and represents the "culture war" in state and national politics is fought harder: Richard Nixon was born/raised here, but is near Los Angeles. +207.200.116.138 04:42, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

To claim that Latino and Middle Eastern immigrants living in Santa Ana are war refugees is categorically absurd.--Truthiness 03:56, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Orange County attracted those with conservative patriotic beliefs, such as those whom fled the Iranian Islamic revolt, the socialist and later military regimes in South America and communist rule in east Asia. The local Vietnamese had strongly supported Ronald Reagan who was anti-communist in the 1980s but to experienced the GOP's neglect of Asian-American issues they moved to the Democrats in the 1990s by Bill Clinton.

Of course, the majority of Mexican-American voters in Orange County since the 1950's shown loyality to Democrats except the number of Republicans in the local Hispanic community (Central Americans, South Americans and Cuban Americans) risen faster than expected. Orange County used to be harsh to Hispanics, some real estate tracts and business strips didn't allow "Mexicans" to live or shop there, and the 1945 Menendez vs. school board of Westminster case challenged racial segregation of Mexican-Americans in public schools.

The formerly white Anglo majority in O.C. are actually not hard-core racist today than what people thought about O.C. like 40 years ago, when a small porportion of newcomers had openly said they fled Los Angeles in fear of "blacks" whom rioted in Watts back in 1965. In the 1980's the county was experiencing a social demographic shift as the population today was larger, more affluent, increasingly liberal, and the area's racial makeup changed to included more blacks, even more Asians and a Latino "majority". + 71.102.53.48 (talk) 18:27, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Etymology
"The county was given the name of Orange for its extensive orange groves." -- This seems unlikely considering that the City of Orange already existed when the county was created. It seems more likely that the county was named after the city, as a compromise for the fact that Orange did not become county seat. See. --Chl 22:10, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * "By 1880, there were Orange counties in six other states, as well as numerous towns and post offices so named. The California County, carved from Los Angeles County on March 11, 1889, to be sure, was named because the orange industry flourished there. 'This county was given its name by the Legislature because of the orange groves for which it is justly famous' (California Blue Book 1907, p. 278)." http://www.oc.ca.gov/ochistory/ochistoryname.asp . Futhermore the main County government history page states explicitly "And with orange groves beginning to proliferate throughout the area (150,000 orange trees), the new county was named for the fruit: 'Orange County.'" The Kenny Kao history is vaguer&mdash;it mentions only that Glassell and Chapman named the City of Orange after Orange County, Virginia&mdash;but it does not contradict these accounts. Based on this, I have restored text supporting the previously cited etymology.choster 02:03, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * This dispute has come up again. I found a reference for the naming of the City of Orange after the VA county, but nothing about the county itself. Given these references I'm going to once more restore the text. -Willmcw 00:07, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

Politics
The line "In the 2004 election, Orange County became the county with the largest percentage of Republican voters (Cook County, Illinois was the county with the largest percentage of Democratic voters)" is not supported by any references that I can track down. The county did not have the largest percentage of votes for Bush, nor does it have an overwhelming percentage of registered Republicans. Unless someone has a reference, I'm inclined to delete it. Willmcw 00:37, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I deleted that, and subsequently someone added this:


 * In the 2004 presidential elections, Orange County delivered Republican George W. Bush the largest margin of victory of any county in the nation. 

I believe that formulation is more correct. It was not the percentage that was highest, it was the number of votes for Bush over his opponent. I see that now another editor has removed this latest version, perhaps because it's wording is still ambiguous. -Willmcw 21:29, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

I deleted it (the reformulated wording) because I read it as a percentage. I'm not sure what the significance is of a raw vote count -- the point of the paragraph is to show that O.C. is a Republican stronghold, but that's better represented by a percentage. --MrWhipple 22:26, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The article reads: "In 2004 U.S. President George W. Bush captured 60% of the county's vote, up from 56% in 2000 (despite a higher Democratic popular vote in the county)" What does that last parenthetical statement mean? Did the writer mean 'country'? And if so, why is that appropriate for this article? 68.63.58.122 04:39, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Eh. OC is a relic left over from when California was a GOP bastion. They're more partisan than they're conservative and care much more for their reputation as a GOP stronghold than conservative initiatives.

Graphics
The swapped graphics look good. -Willmcw 02:36, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"Music" section is a bit cluttered
The "Music" section seems to be little more than a magnet for everyone to add their favorite band. Perhaps the bulk of that section should be split off into List of musical artists from Orange County, California and the remainder should be rewritten to be a prose synopsis of the O.C. music scene(s) and history. Mike Dillon 17:55, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Sports
As much as I think the change is stupid, I'm changing the name of the Anaheim Angels to the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. Being that it is now their proper name, this should be reflected.:--ShawnLee


 * That's fine. Just make sure you don't change the mention of the "Anaheim Angels" in connection with the 2002 World Series, as that was the team's name when they won the Series. Mike Dillon 14:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Map
It would help a lot to have a map of the interior geography. -- Beland 15:14, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * What is this new map about? I can't figure out what the borders/colors represent. These are definitely nothing remotely close to the city boundaries. Can someone explain? --SameerKhan 04:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I removed the map. Looks like some sort of rainfall map but without a description and legend is pretty useless. --MarsRover 06:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Someone has reinserted the map due to its "relevance", but I'm not sure how it is relevant at all. The colors and demarcations definitely do not correspond to actual city boundaries, zip code boundaries, locally-recognized regions, or anything else that would be relevant for readers. If MarsRover is right and it is a rainfall map, it is definitely not appropriate for the first detailed map of Orange County given in this article. Does anyone know of a better map we can replace this with? --SameerKhan 06:22, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yay, thanks for the new map, MarsRover! --SameerKhan 06:59, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Photo Request
The aerial shot of Newport suburbia was removed for copyright reasons. It was a great visual representation of the typical residential development in the OC, and I'd like to see a similar image replace it. Added to photo request category. - PatrickFisher 18:25, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Master Planned Communities
Someone should consider bringing a more balanced view concerning master planned communities. Perhaps cite the repetitiveness of the housing tracts and strip malls and the perceived sterile "plesantville" image...along with a lack of a nightlife, especially in the more southern cities of the county. AManSac 10:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Highways
Some of the highways currently listed never enter Orange County. (I-15, I-215, SR 60, SR 79) At the same time, some that do enter OC are ignored (A small section of I-605), and a few aren't freeways even though the text above would suggest they are (SR 74.  I'm not sure about SR 1, there might be a freeway segment in South County if I remember right)  69.255.208.30 00:13, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

The article claims that Interstate 5 was "completed" in 1954. The interstate highway system didn't exist in 1954. I think the article means the Santa Ana Freeway, which was later incorporated into the interstate system.Carduelis (talk) 18:03, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

1994 municipal bond default
This is quite a famous case, quoted by many finance textbooks. I only have secondary sources so I can't help that much, but this is quite worthy of a section if anyone has any sources. └ VodkaJazz / talk ┐ 17:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * In many cases, secondary sources are preferred, since we can cite analysis from them. We do not solely operate from primary sources. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 17:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * If not a section it at least deserves a few sentences. Aside from being famous it had a major effect on OC government and services. It's noteworthy. -Will Beback · † · 19:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I came to this page because I was curious about the default and bankruptcy, and wanted to read more. The only reference in this article (Ref#3) is to a 1 paragraph article in Time magazine, Dec 1994.  If anyone has more sources it would certainly help...--67.68.39.247 (talk) 23:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Ronald Reagan Federal Building
Uh, can somebody check the accuracy of the statement that this is the "largest building" in the county? It's not nearly as tall as the two tallest buildings, the Center tower and the Plaza tower which are located near South Coast Plaza. It doesn't seem particularly large floorspace-wise either.

http://www.ocalmanac.com/Structures/st01.htm


 * It may not be the tallest, but it is the largest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 055203 (talk • contribs)


 * Any chance you could provide a reference instead of a bare assertion? Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

"Popular culture" subsections
How is it that "Religion" is lumped under popular culture with Television, Music, and Literature? Generally Pop Culture refers to fictional entities or other creative arts forms. I don't believe religion, albeit cultural, is appropriate under "Pop culture." Even the Wiki definition pigeon-holes the thought of popular culture to one society and religion doesn't fit that criteria. IrishLass (talk) 16:01, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that is a good point. If you look at the guidelines for a city at WP:USCITY (I know it's a county, but the structure can be the same), it shows a section for Arts and Culture.  The popular culture section can either be a subsection of Arts and Culture or as part of media.  But religion does not really belong under popular culture. Alanraywiki (talk) 16:10, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * So who's going to be bold and fix the page? IrishLass (talk) 16:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Before I start moving things around, how does the following structure look? I've tried to include all the existing sections.

1 History

2 Geography

2.1 Incorporated cities

2.2 Noteworthy communities

2.3 Unincorporated communities

2.4 Master planned communities

2.5 Adjacent counties

3 Demographics

3.1 Average household income by community

4 Economy

4.1 Shopping malls

4.2 Tallest buildings in Orange County

5 Arts and culture

5.1 Points of interest

5.2 Music

5.3 Literature

5.4 Religion

5.5 Orange County in popular culture

6 Sports

6.1 Sports teams

6.2 Former and defunct Orange County sports teams

7 Government

7.1 Politics

8 Education

9 Infrastructure

9.1 Major highways

9.2 Public transit

10 Notable natives and residents

11 Zip codes

12 See also

13 References

14 External links

Alanraywiki (talk) 17:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)


 * This is just my personal opinion. It looks good, for the most part I agree with the changes, but I would put section 5 in the following order

5 Arts and culture

5.1 Points of interest

5.2 Religion

5.3 Music

5.4 Literature

5.5 Orange County in popular culture

or

5 Arts and culture

5.1 Points of interest

5.1.1 Music

5.1.2 Literature

5.3 Religion

5.4 Orange County in popular culture

Personally, from my experience, there are more churches and more religion in OC than music and literature. I have major (unexpressed) issues about the musical artists list of songs about OC. Are there really that many that are about Orange County, CALIFORNIA? or is there an assumption that OC, CA is the only Orange County in the country. I really want to tag that section for references. I know the music list is long, and unreferenced, but I think in terms of notability religion has more. People all over know the Crystal Cathedral and even people out here know who Chuck Smith is, but that might be for others to weigh in, if we can find people. IrishLass (talk) 17:31, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback. I'm fine with reordering section 5.  Also, I have the same concerns as you regarding that music list.  I am going to wait a day or two to hear from any others about the structure (and for when I have more time to make the changes).  After restructuring we can revise the section content as needed. Thanks, Alanraywiki (talk) 17:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * From a brief glance, the list looks like just a list of bands that are from Orange County with nothing necessarily there to back up the claim that they wrote songs about Orange County. If the list stays, references which would include the song title written about the county, should be included.  I've learned, you can never "over reference" an article. IrishLass (talk) 17:41, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Restructuring done. Alanraywiki (talk) 01:01, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

John Wayne Airport is located in Santa Ana not unincorporated Orange County
According to the John Wayne Airport website located at:

http://www.ocair.com/

John Wayne airport is located at:

Thomas F. Riley Terminal Address 18601 Airport Way Santa Ana, Calif. 92707


 * Thus this should be changed to Santa Ana, California. The nomenclature used for this Airport is SNA meaning Santa Ana.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.175.124.34 (talk) 05:55, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * If is eminently-likely for a large place like an airport to be primarily and physically located in one area, and yet have a mailing address in another city or town - and expecially if the city line crosses, and the airport has an office on the other side of the line. An airport is located where the airplanes take off and land - and not where its offices receives the mail. So, such references to the mailing addresses of large places are really, really unreliable.72.146.43.188 (talk) 23:51, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I think the location is within the Santa Ana zip code boundry and not in the city limits itself. There have been many disputes over tax revenues that have delayed the annexation of the airport to any given city. I was always led to believe that it was in Newport Beach. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.229.77.157 (talk) 12:52, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Music Section
Wouldn't it make more sense to just mention what bands are from Orange County? Some of these bands don't have songs about Orange County other than just referencing it or are from Orange County. --Lyght (talk) 00:35, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This section just seems to grow larger without adding any value to an encyclopedia article about Orange County. There is already a List of songs about California, so this list seems redundant.  Some of the more notable bands from OC can be included, but even that should not be an all-inclusive list.  Unless an editor has a good reason for keeping this section, I will be removing it.  Thanks, Alanraywiki (talk) 20:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. It's grown beyond any reasonable weight. ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 21:27, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hearing no objections, I have removed the list of bands that wrote songs about Orange County. Alanraywiki (talk) 17:52, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

New OC demographics
I don't want to add it myself, but updated demographics for Orange County have been released by the Census Bureau and reported by the Orange County Register. 24.85.1.205 (talk) 01:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Average household income by community
The average household income by community section references the 2005 census. However, I am unable to locate this information on the U.S. Census web site. Can someone direct me to the statistics on the web site? Are non-city communities such as Anaheim Hills and West Garden Grove included on the census? Thanks, Alanraywiki (talk) 23:42, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Cities and Towns
There has been some back-and-forth lately over the list of cities in O.C. There are three types of communities being added to the list:
 * Incorporated cities (e.g., Anaheim)
 * Unincorporated communities under county supervision (e.g., Ladera Ranch)
 * Area or place names within incorporated cities (e.g., Corona del Mar)

It seems to me there should be some sort of policy regarding which ones make it on the list, and which ones don't. Personally I think we should add the first two, but not the last. Thoughts? --MrWhipple 17:55, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I think MrWhipple is right. Area or Place Names can include names of neighborhoods, regions, etc -- which could be too broad to be effective (like naming ALL individuals living in the county or listing ALL the streets in the county would be technically correct for the area encompassed by the county border, but so unselective as to render the article unusable). I suggest leaving those names out of the County Page, and including them in an article about the city they are within, or having a separate article about them which mentions that they are located within the county.
 * --Silvery


 * I agree too. Cheers, -Willmcw 01:30, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

Anaheim Island? You must be joking! The proper name for that district is Little Gaza (Gaza Strip)as reported by the O.C. Register and by the locals who live there. Before that it was temporarally known as La Colonia named after the migrant farming community of Colonia Independencia. Tradition has it that when Anaheim was expanding westward, a fire broke out across the street from a new fire station built within the city limits. Since the fire was outside the city, the structure was allowed to burn down. Out of protest, the citizens chose to not to be annexed thus the "island" or county island was born. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.229.77.157 (talk) 22:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I grew up on Perdido Street (1963-1977), am visiting now, and just yesterday heard, for the first time, the phrase "Anaheim Island" to describe the unincorporated area between Anaheim and Stanton. In my memory, the neighborhood flanking Perdido Street, between Ball and Cerritos, was always called the "Gaza Strip." (I've never heard the name "Little Gaza" used, but at least one of my sibs has heard it used to describe Brookhurst Avenue near Ball Road, where there are now many businesses serving the Middle Eastern population.) "La Colonia" specifically referred to the unincorporated area between Gilbert and Magnolia, south of the railroad tracks. I've always associated the nickname "Gaza Strip" with (1) disputed territory and (2) lawlessness. People would come from all over to drag down Perdido Street; if anyone wanted to complain to the police, they would have to wait for the OC sheriff to arrive. During the late sixties and seventies, Burgundy Place was the site of legendary partying, with hundreds of people clogging the cul-de-sac (eventually followed by a cop car or two, and a smattering of arrests). The corner of Perdido and Ball was the site of many accidents; after a pedestrian was killed there, I circulated a petition for a stoplight, but nothing happened on that front for many years. Sidewalks weren't installed until long after I'd moved away. I was told the story of the fire back when I was nine or ten, after I asked why the neighborhood remained unincorporated. --KathleenSeidel (talk) 14:36, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

2008 Election results
Various editors are posting the final counts for Orange County residents of the 2008 presidential election. Because not all the ballots have been counted yet, where are these numbers coming from? Alanraywiki (talk) 19:42, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The OC Registrar's Office has election results for all 2109 precincts. DHN (talk) 20:57, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reference. I added the information back in.  Alanraywiki (talk) 21:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Intro Doesn't Mention Proximity to Los Angeles
Shouldn't the intro to this article mention that Orange County is (in some ways) considered a suburb of Los Angeles? Or at least in the Los Angeles Metropolitan Area? I find it odd that the article on one of the most famous suburbs of all time doesn't mention what city it is a suburb of. I mean, yeah, I know whether it's a suburb or its own "region" is debatable, but still. It's in the Los Angeles MSA, as defined by the U.S. Census Bureau. --Hippie Metalhead (talk) 22:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The intro did mention that the entire county was once party of LA County. DHN (talk) 23:49, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Notable locations
A list of notable locations was added. However, there is no indication of why these locations are notable. In addition, some no longer exist (e.g., the Bolsa Chica Gun Club was torn down decades ago.) I am removing again until there is an explanation of the notability of these locations. Alanraywiki (talk) 02:25, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

OK What does behind the Orange Curtain mean?
Refugee here from L.A. County(Born Glendale,ca") my fiends in L.A. sayt i've gone "Behind "the Orange Curtain" Ok what does that mean no one tells me!Thanks(edson Andre')am480921stcentdecd.Andreisme (talk)Huntington Beach,the O.C. 18:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * See the article Orange Curtain. Alanraywiki (talk) 19:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Why is Anaheim listed as the oldest city?
Santa Ana was founded in 1869 and Anaheim was created in 1870. I read that Anaheim was put together in 1850,but it wasn't official until 1870. So doesn't that make Santa Ana the oldest? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.129.173.204 (talk) 12:13, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Isn't San Juan Capistrano even older than both of those? I believe its been there since the 1700's with the Mission and all. By what measure are we using to determine the "oldest" I am not sure. --76.79.192.35 (talk) 19:16, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I reworded the sentence to indicate that by oldest is meant the first incorporated. Alanraywiki (talk) 22:02, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

nationally known centers of worship
Is the Mormon temple in Newport Beach really nationally known? The one in Salt Lake City is certainly nationally known, the one in Los Angeles is perhaps arguably nationally known. But the Newport Beach temple? It is one of the newer smallish temples used and known of only regionally (like only within Orange County itself). Listing the LDS Newport Beach temple here in as "nationally known" would require listing all the Jewish Synogogues and Muslim Mosques in Orange County as well. I'm saying it seems to have been added here well-intentioned by promoters of the Latter-day Saints; the temple might be very important to local Mormons but it is by no means nationally known or even important to Mormons outside Orange County. This in contrast to the other places of worship listed in the introduction, that are indeed nationally known cultural beacons because of their size, and media exposure. The Newport Beach Temple of the Church of Latter-day Saints doesn't make the cut in Orange County, not because of its religious association, but because its simply is not nationally known. Retran (talk) 05:58, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Just to clarify, I was referring to the (Mormon) "Newport Beach Temple" reference that was included in the introduction of this article. It's later mention far down in the article seems to be in an appropriate context. Retran (talk) 06:52, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Interstate 5
One sentence in the History section reads, "The completion of Interstate 5 in 1954 helped make Orange County...". The Interstate Highway System wasn't even commissioned until 1956. (See the Wikipedia Article on the topic.) I think this should say, "The completion of the Golden State Freeway (later designated as Interstate 5) in 1954 help make Orange County...".

DMJ001 (talk) 03:20, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Orange County Redirect?
I am aware that this issue was decided back in 2006, HOWEVER, I would like to bring up the possibility of having Orange County redirect to Orange County, California and create a disambiguation page for the others. The most famous Orange County is the one in California, an it's not even close. When traveling around the United States or abroad, I say I am from Orange County and people immediately know where I am from, no one asks "which one?" Also, if Orange County is to be lumped together with all other counties of the same name, then we should do the same for the many different cities and locales that go by Los Angeles, San Francisco, London, or even California (there is a California, Pennsylvania). Thank you for your feedback and the support of those who are part of this Wikiproject would be greatly appreciated. --CASportsFan (talk) 06:40, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * There's a discussion already at Talk:Orange County. I think that's the best place to hold the discussion, since editors here are naturally going to think this is the more important subject.   Will Beback    talk    08:18, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, the more typical thing, if this is approved, would be to change Orange County from a disambiguation page into a redirect page pointing here. In which case nothing on this page would need to changing or moving.   Will Beback    talk    08:20, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Very true, thank you for pointing that out. I will take down the move request . . . please, for the discussion on this matter, please go to Talk:Orange County. Thank You and sorry for the confusion. --CASportsFan (talk) 08:23, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Demonym for Orange County?
Someone from Los Angeles is an Angelino. What do you call someone from Orange County?173.58.53.212 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:48, 10 February 2011 (UTC).
 * Orange Countian. --TorriTorri(talk/contribs) 05:11, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Free images of Orange County
I recently stumbled on the Orange County Archive's Flickr profile, where they have uploaded hundreds of images under free licenses on the history of the region. I've uploaded a few celebrity ones, but there are many historical images of the region's early beginnings and notable local leaders and tourist areas. I'd recommend uploading these images to Wikimedia Commons so that this article and related ones can have access to the images. Currently, they have over 700 images, and continue to add more each month. If you need assistance in uploading, please let me know. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 02:11, 8 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Great find! Maybe we can find some for other counties like San Diego. 08OceanBeach SD (talk) 02:40, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Origin of Orange (city) name
I think that the section that explains the origin of the names Orange County and the City of Orange needs a citation. I have been an avid reader of Orange County history for more than 30 years (I have more than 200 volumes in my personal library including monographs and many local historical society publications, as well as the Journal of Orange County Studies) and am a former assistant to the OC Historical Society, as well as a former employee of the Anaheim History Room). I'm not an expert, but I have never seen this verified through historic sources. I've seen speculation, but not historical, documented research that establishes this - Phil Brigandi's book "Orange, the City 'Round the Plaza" offers it as one of three possible explanation for the name of the city of Orange - does anyone have a citation that establishes this through documentation?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teresa Blankmeyer Burke (talk • contribs) 22:07, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Total land area - 789.40 square miles
How much of this land is available to be developed? A large part of it is occupied by state and national parks, military bases and wild life preserves. Does anyone know exactly how much property this includes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.60.95.232 (talk) 19:19, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

SOME ORANGE COUNTY CITIES FOUNTAIN VALLEY ONE PROHIBIT WIFI!
FIUNTAIN VALLEY CA ORANGE COUNTY PROHIBITS WIF IN THERE PARKS WHY?WAS THROWN OUT OF A FV PARK FULTON PARK FOR ACCESSING WIFI ON MY LAPTOP NTHERE!Edsonvictornow (talk) 19:35, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright, don't shout, scheesh! done me eardrums in, that has! BigSteve (talk) 12:56, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Tallest buildings
what a random section for a county article. reads like real estate advertising... BigSteve (talk) 12:53, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Especially one that doesn't really have any tall buildings.WikiHogan654 (talk) 09:16, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

"it is sometimes considered part of both the Los Angeles and San Diego metro areas"
Can anyone back up that claim that Orange County is sometimes considered part of both the Los Angeles and San Diego metro areas? I have never heard OC be considered part of the San Diego metro. OC lies completely within the Los Angeles area.70.178.153.27 (talk) 23:15, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

This was obviously written by someone who has never been to Orange or San Diego counties, driven the 20 often desolate miles between between Oceanside and the OC, or been stuck for hours waiting for the border patrol to let them back in Orange County. The OC IS NOT part of the San Diego metro area. (Though it cross my mind that this may have been written to catch Rand Paul. ;) ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrioux (talk • contribs) 01:28, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Religion
The author of this article has Orange County Atheists listed under the Religion section. ???? What the what ? How can that be if a religion is all about believing in a god or deity, and atheists do not believe in any deity? Someone, please address this. L. Thomas W. (talk) 15:55, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Atheism can be a form of spirtitual/religious practice: see Atheism and religion for discussion of this debate. Also, the practicing of denying religious affiliation effects the concept of "religion" within the geography. Atheist organizations practice atheist community practices that resemble the place of religious community practices for deistic believers, Sadads (talk) 16:01, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That's true, but it should still be removed because it's redlinked. If we put every redlinked religious organization in OC on this list it's be megabytes long.  Do you mind if I remove it on that basis rather than due to the admittedly specious argument that it's not a religious organization?&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:05, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Checked for notability. Don't see enough sourcing to make that true. Removing is fine, just not for the argument proposed above. Sadads (talk) 17:31, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed, then. And definitively agreed that all notable atheist organizations should go in religious sections everywhere.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 17:37, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

1994 Bankruptcy
It says in the part about the bankruptcy that Orange County had the largest municipal debt in the US, that is completely untrue now and needs taken out! Detroit broke that record in December 2013 when it filed for its 18.5 billion dollar debt! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:D:A180:2F6:1415:84F4:6702:D5D5 (talk) 04:23, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

"Named for" incorrect.
With no disrespect intended to the author, the truth is that the name Orange had nothing to do with the orange groves that once dominated the landscape. Link: http://ocgov.com/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?BlobID=4286

It was testified to be a hand-me-down name that was given well before citrus was taken up as a crop for California.

Dons333 (talk) 02:55, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

This seems to be correct given that it's in Orange county's official archives. I'll update the article to reflect the facts in the aforementioned article. However, I think the "Named for" section can still reference the citrus fruit. According to the article, even though oranges weren't the most promising crop at the original suggestion of the name, it was in fact meant to reference the fruit. It seems real-estate promoters wanted to give an image of Mediterranean weather and exceedingly fertile soils.

"...to encourage immigration, the area was ‘boomed’ by real estate promoters as a semi-tropical paradise – a place where anything could grow, and nearly everything was tried. The name orange has a Mediterranean flavor about it, so for that reason it was selected to suggest our climate."

See Pg. 2, first paragraph.

Yony (talk) 21:45, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Adjacent counties
This may be the only county article I've seen without a section listing the adjacent counties.CountMacula (talk) 12:32, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * As in most California county articles, that information is contained in the Geographic location template.—Stepheng3 (talk) 16:58, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

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Orange County, CA, home to one of Wikipedia's greatest hoaxes
Google search Balboa Island Creole French - the allegedly endangered French creole spoken by 20 people on Newport Beach's Balboa Island and you'll find some articles on a subject appeared on Wikipedia before it was proven to be a complete joke and hoax. I'm aware there are fishermen from France, and "Maritime Nations" of Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Croatia, Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark and Malta in CA's beach cities, but I never found a "unique non-English" language ever spoken in Newport Harbor. Wikipedia has millions of articles that are true, but a 100 or so, like the mention of the Adyhaffe tribe of Djibouti hoax in the list of the world's ethnic groups, are worth deleted because they are NO resources and those articles took years to be discovered as hoaxes. 2605:E000:FDCA:4200:D962:2182:F3EB:EEB3 (talk) 13:50, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

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Demographics - Religion inadequate
Shouldn't the "Religion" section under "Demographics" reflect how many people belong to the several religions in Orange County? SlowJog (talk) 22:06, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Content Bias Neglecting Racism in OC
Orange County has a known problem of racism and has even had several incidents with the KKK. However, there is absolutely no mention of race problems and de facto segregation that exists in this county. This article needs to expand on this.

I can provide just a few examples:
 * KKK Rally in Anaheim
 * White supremacy movement in OC
 * article on UCLA study of racism and segregation

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