Talk:Order 66 (Star Wars)

Shouldn't this page be merged with Great Jedi Purge?
Shouldn't this page be merged with Great Jedi Purge, as it is a vital part of that? Diego001 21:37, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think you're right about that. -- Ed Telerionus 17:26, 14 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I disagree. The Jedi Purge article is a more general article.  Order 66, was the directive for it to be implemented.  Alegory: Look at the seperate article for the American War for Independence and the article for the American Declaration of Independence.  The Declaration could be merged with the other larger-scoped article, but it's not.  Jason Palpatine 22:10, 27 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I disagree. Certainly it should be referenced and summarised there, but this article is more detailed than the details about Order 66 in the article Great Jedi Purge need to be. &mdash; OwenBlacker 00:17, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

The details about Order 66 and the Great Jedi Purge shouldn't be kept separate as they both contain the information about the events that started the Galactic Civil War. I don't see any reason for these articles to be kept separate. -- Ed Telerionus 07:20, 16 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Absolutely, though they're not quite the same thing, hence an article at Order 66 can contain more detail about the Order itself and its implementation; an article at Great Jedi Purge can contain more detail about the Purge and so on. Effectively, I'm suggesting we should have an article Great Jedi Purge, which has a section titled Order 66, which starts off with:
 * Main article: Order 66
 * and then continues to summarise the contents of this article. I think this article is detailed enough that we shouldn't remove it and put all of it into Great Jedi Purge, as Order 66 is only one part of the Purge. &mdash; OwenBlacker 10:43, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

At the moment, I suggest we keep the two separate. I think that after seeing Ep III, a lot of people are going to be specifically looking for "Order 66" information, and from there, move into the Purge as a whole, due to the recent release of the movie. As OwenBlacker says, it's only one aspect of the Purge. However, at a later point in time, (I've seen suggested for other Episode III related articles a date three months after the DVD release), we should come back to the issue and look at it again. This way, we can make an informed, unbiased choice after all the hullabaloo has died down. Saberwyn 13:59, 16 July 2005 (UTC)


 * That seems like a wise enough plan; I can support that. &mdash; OwenBlacker 13:13, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Invincible Jedi
The jedi where responsible for their own defeat and destruction, thanks to Master Windu actions. I don't really consider Yoda and "invincible Jedi" because no one is invincible. I rather change this article, because someone has change it several times to declare that he is in fact invincible. If he was to be invincible, he could have destroyed the Sith lord in the first place.

Perhaps someone must review this page again with much more details. Because someone is writing from his own point of view by saying "minions" or the "Invincible Jedi".

I guess that the only survivors of Order 66 were Obi-Wan and Yoda. None others are mentioned in the movies instead of them. DarthPlaegis, 8:35, August 7, 2005

I think that order 66 was a very sad moment in episode 3. I mean, I saw my favorite Jedi get blown to bits bay ARC-170's (guess who it is). However, George Lucas could have picked some cooler jedi to survive, even though it would interfere with the other movies. Oh well. I guess I'll have to get over it. :)


 * Acording to Yoda, in Return of the Jedi, he and Kenobi were the only survivors. He told Luke that when he died, Luke would be "the last of the Jedi."  This is with Kenobi being dead.  So it would appear, at least, that the assesment that Yoda and Kenobi were the only ones to escape Order 66 is correct.   However, there have been refences in other written SW works that some others did escape.  In the Marvel Comics SW adventures it was revealed that a Jedi named Jedia had survived -- but he was killed saving Luke's life.  Still yet another survivor was revealed in Dark Empire II.  -- Jason Palpatine 21:56, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

There are different levels of canon of course. The movies overrule all other SW works. Also, it's possible that Yoda meant more specifically that he and Kenobi were the only Jedi he knew to still exist. This is also what seems to be implied in Episode III, during Senator Organa's discussion with Kenobi and Yoda. Certainly, Kenobi and Yoda are the only known major Jedi who survived. Solberg 05:34, 15 December 2005 (UTC) Solberg

It was NOT ingrained during their training?
"It was rumored that Order 66 was a directive ingrained in the clone troopers during their training. This rumor was debunked by George Lucas, creator of the Star Wars universe, in an interview with Star Wars Insider, who stated that it was simply an order. " -- Article

I find this difficult to belive. The numbering indicates that there are at least another 65 orders in addition to this one. Palpatines remark "The time has come" clearly implies that the order had been there from the begining, and that the order was only a directive to to kill all Jedi.

Uh -- hello? Is there anybody there?

-- Jason Palpatine 16:58, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

It was a pre-arranged command directing that all Jedi be put to death.
Ok. I deleted the reference of the order declaring the Jedi enemies of the state. The numbering indicates that there are at least another 65 orders in addition to this one. Though we have no way of knowing WHEN the order was given to the troopers, the likelyhood of it being a declaration of the Jedi being enemies of the stae is minimal. The clones were operation under the command of the Jedi throughout the war. If the troops had been told they were enemies of the state -- conditioning or not -- they could not have effectivly operated under Jedi command. The order then, had to have read something like "when I (Palpatine) commands, kill all Jedi." The order would not have had anything to do with declaring them enemies of the state -- that is justification, and an order to a trooper does not need justification. -- Jason Palpatine 01:37, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It doesn't necessarily follow that there are another 65 orders; "Order 66" could just be a code phrase for the clones to initiate the purge. Applejuicefool 15:57, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda Were NOT the Only Jedi To Survive
According to the "Galactic Battlegrounds" Database, Echuu Shen-Jon (another little-known Jedi) survived the Great Jedi Purge and went into hiding on Krant. It is not known, however, how he survived it. Also, if Yoda was supposedly invincible, he most likely would not have tried to destroy the Sith Lord. According to the Star Wars books, "the moment a Sith Lord is killed, someone in the galaxy replaces that Sith." So Yoda, being very wise, probably knew this and most likely did not attack the Sith Lord as he did not want to become a Sith Lord himself. Someone may bring up the issue that Darth Maul supposedly wasn't replaced by Count Dooku (Darth Tyranus), but I do not have the answer to that.

That's not necessarily canon though of course, although it could be true Solberg 05:35, 15 December 2005 (UTC) Solberg

Yoda should be removed. His death was natural and had nothing to do wih the purge or Vader. Also, where is Plo Koon? He died and seemesd to be missing. As for Echuu, he did survive but i believe he died later to the Imperials. (man, i need to play that again)

Relevance
My apologies, but I don't think the writing on this page is 100% clear.

What exactly is the relevance of the Hitler assassination attempt in this section? Thanks to any who reply, I may be missing something.

"It was rumored that Order 66 was a directive ingrained in the clone troopers during their training. This rumor was debunked by George Lucas, creator of the Star Wars universe, in an interview with Star Wars Insider, who stated that it was simply an order. This idea may have come from the 1944 assassination plot on Hitler. The assassins had made arrangements after the assassination took place to implement Operation Valkyrie in Berlin which would turn the German troops against the Nazi regime.  This however never happened due to the failure of the assassination attempt."


 * Because of the similarity of the attempt to make the troops (Clone troopers) turn on their Nazi (Jedi) leaders, and because Lucas is known to have borrowed numerous elements from Nazi Germany (Stormtroopers, Supreme Chancellors, anyone?). --Maru (talk) Contribs 00:26, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * It might be appropriate to move the Nazi references to the historical references section. The article would probably flow better. --Ajdz 23:07, 18 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Maru, I sort of thought about that but couldn't quite "get there" so to speak. The Jedi aren't portrayed as perfect by any means in the SW universe, but it's sort of difficult to draw any metaphor where the Jedi are strongly connected to Nazis...  At any rate, I really don't understand both the relevance and the veracity of the claim, so I will let others decide if it really belongs here or not and if it makes sense.  -- Solberg 11:37, 12 January 2006 (UTC)Solberg


 * It's think that relating Order 66 to the number of the beast 666 is incomplete without a basic numerologic analysis of the word Order.(I don't want to debate about if numerology is true or not, it's not the point) The modern system attributs a=1..z=26. Most of the time you will see them simplified. z=8. So do the math, O(15) R(18) D(4) E(5) R(18) 15+18+4+5+18=60=6+0=6. So symbolically, 'Order 66' is the same as 666. Lucas have used a lot of symbolism in the past. I think it's a good reference to add even if you never heard about it before. --Xedoc 21:37, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Xedoc, since you're apparently an expert in numerology, or someone familiar with it, maybe you best add this section in yourself. -- Solberg 23:53, 12 January 2006 (UTC)Solberg


 * I thought it was called Order 66 because it was a rout.


 * Perhaps the name is a reference to order 9066 which was the US internment of the Jappenese in WWII. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9066 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.208.116.89 (talk • contribs).


 * The Spanish version of the article says that 66 refers to FF (F is the sixth alphabet letter), which abreviates Friendly Fire (the Jedi are the victims of this command). Sadly, that part of the info has no sources, so if you can find a site that comments about this, please add it. 200.71.186.110 03:15, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Rationale for rebel clones?
Article reads: "However, it is known that at least one group of clone commandos did not carry out the order. The reason is suspected to be because the clones had served alongside the Jedi, they gave them a chance to escape. They were executed by Darth Vader for the treason." Surely this is true of many of the clone Commandoes, including Cody et. al. The article doesn't say what made this particular group special. Irrevenant 12:47, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Edits to section on historical/religious allusions
I have shortened this section quite drastically in response to a comment made on WikiProject: Countering Systemic Bias in Religion. The previous wording went into unnecessary detail about historical events and Christian theological concepts. It could have been gratuitously offensive to some Christian readers. I guess in the process I might not have been very reverential towards Star Wars, but there you go. It's an encyclopedia, not a fanzine. Keep up the good work. Itsmejudith 14:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

References in other works
Should references in other works to Order 66 be catalogued on this page, or is there a central repository for all referenes Star Trek Wars related? Order 66 was just mentioned in the comic strip Least I Could Do this week. samwaltz 21:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Always cite your sources
ALWAYS CITE YOUR SOURCES, PEOPLE. WP:CITE -- Writtenonsand 10:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

The Force?
Just curious; has it ever been explained how master Jedi's with the ability to essentially read minds and whatnot managed to not notice the intent of the people standing behind them to shoot them in the back of the head? I mean, they more or less have "Spider Sense", and while I could understand them being overpowered, as was the case in some of the shown deaths, but this seems like something that would have been addressed at some point in the expanded universe. 71.255.94.31 20:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Possible explanations: (1) not all Jedi were skilled enough to turn completely around and block a shot behind them that fast, especially if they were under fire from enemies in front of them at the same time; (2) some Jedi reacted slowly because at first they didn't believe what their senses were telling them; (3) the clones were so disciplined that they could empty their minds and maintain a state of total calm as they carried out the order, possibly because they had done it so many times in training and simulations that it was automatic to them. 68.44.13.236 08:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

It has been made clear in almost all books (both EU and canon) that Jedi sense emotion, and several if not all the jedi in the films have made "I can sence your anger/fear/love" statements. The clones had no hate or rage towards the jedi, so unless the Jedi happened to be trying to read there minds at the time there is no reason they should have suspected a thing. From the clones point of view order 66 had no difference to "Remember to polish your boots"

Article needs work
This article needs a lot of work to match up with the other articles in the WikiProject Star Wars. We need to always cite our sources. See WP:CITE. Also, we need cleanup as well to match up with the other articles in WikiProject Star Wars. Sjones23 21:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Anyone who can help out can be greatly appreciated. I don't want this article to die on me. Sjones23 21:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I would just like to know where the names of the deceased jedi came from. Quatreryukami 15:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Republic Commando: Order 66?
Do you think that there's a chance someone not versed in Star Wars could come to this page looking for information on games for their cell phone? Should there be a link at the top just in case?

Connection to historic fact
In the past days I entered this paragraph into the article.

Unfortunately a user does not agree inserting this text because he claims this is an Original Research (see also No original research). This is not true, simply beacuse this is not a research at all, it is simply an extended connection between two articles. I presented it in a different paragraph, but I do not introduce any new concept to this article nor to the SW universe. I wanted to leave this comment here in order not to waste the information, I hope somebody in the future will be able to add this or a similar information to the main article.Luca Mauri 08:50, 3 May 2007 (UTC)