Talk:Order of Nine Angles/GA1

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Reviewer: A. Parrot (talk · contribs) 03:57, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Many thanks for your review, A. Parrot! As you point out, we don't have a huge wealth of secondary, academic sources that focus on this group but perhaps in future such studies will be produced and the article improved accordingly. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 12:00, 12 February 2016 (UTC)


 * ,, : I looked into the hermeticism question a little more. "Further Notes Concerning The Hermetic Origins Of The O9A" (currently used as ref 100 in the article) points out some of the hermetic influences on the O9A. At one point it says this:


 * "'That the O9A septenary system does indeed represent an older… Hellenic and genuinely hermetic occult tradition is gradually becoming increasing known outside of O9A circles, partly due to articles such as 'Perusing The Seven Fold Way: Historical Origins Of The Septenary System Of The Order of Nine Angles', partly due to Myatt's translations of the Pymander and Ιερός Λόγος tractates of the ancient Corpus Hermeticum – in which physis and a septenary system are mentioned several times – and partly due to his notes on the fourth tractate (Ἑρμοῦ πρὸς Τάτ ὁ κρατῆρ ἡ μονάς) in which notes he pointed out the use of a septenary system by John Dee as described in Theorem XVIII of Dee's 1564 work Monas Hieroglyphica'."


 * Pymander is Poimandres (Corpus Hermeticum I), which says the soul ascends through the seven celestial spheres toward divinity. I can provide a couple of scholarly references for that if you want. The O9A article also points to early modern esoteric texts that refer to the celestial spheres. So it seems the Seven Fold Way is inspired by this concept of ascension through the spheres. The O9A article doesn't directly say that, but that reference and the ones I have would support a sentence like this:


 * "The Seven Fold Way is influenced by the emphasis on the number seven in various ancient and early modern hermetic texts, including the Poimandres, in which a human is described as ascending through the seven celestial spheres to unite with god."


 * That might stray a little too close to synthesis, though. What do you think? A. Parrot (talk) 00:27, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Personally I would be cautious on this one. I think that an example of synthesis such as this might open the doors to great deal more synthesis and overreliance on primary sources. Midnightblueowl (talk)
 * What about simply saying "The Seven Fold Way is influenced by the emphasis on the number seven in various ancient and early modern hermetic texts"? A. Parrot (talk) 00:36, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * But we do already say something fairly similar in the opening paragraph of the "Initiation and the Seven Fold Way" section. We might just be repeating ourselves. Midnightblueowl (talk) 00:54, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I'll pass the article. A. Parrot (talk) 01:41, 13 February 2016 (UTC)