Talk:Order of Saint Lazarus (statuted 1910)

Genuine or self-styled order of chivalry?
Both heraldica.org and the ICOC list this group as a self-styled order. Do we have a preponderance of better quality references saying that they are a genuine order of chivalry? 79.97.226.247 (talk) 23:16, 11 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, Sainty's World orders and van Duren' s Orders. Heraldica.org is blog. --Yopie (talk) 09:05, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, Sainty's World Orders has the Lazarite group under the headline "A Particular Case" and throughout the section he refutes the claims to continuity and proves that none of the modern associations are the same as the ancient order. On page 1870, Sainty concludes:


 * -- Kimon talk 14:52, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Heraldica.org in not RS, because according to his disclaimer is written a published only by hobbyist Francois R. Velde and he himself wrote " In the selection and presentation of the facts, my judgments and preconceptions are bound to play a role. Furthermore, there are several controversial subjects (on regulation of heraldry, on orders of knighthood, on certain institutions or organizations) on which I express my beliefs. The opinions are mine. Although I cite various references, sources or individuals in presenting supporting evidence, they cannot be held responsible for the opinions I hold." Because whole site is self-published by hobbyist, we must use WP:SPS. According to Sainty´s opinion in page 1869, the Order (or one his part) is under protection of the French royal House. He deals with self-styled orders in part of the book "Self-styled orders", but the Order is in different part "Orders revived by questionable authority". Yes, the Order and his status is disputed, but is not "self-styled". So I conclude, that previous version of the article, where the Order is called "disputed" is more neutral and based on reliable sources. --Yopie (talk) 09:53, 24 September 2015 (UTC)


 * There is no reputable source which regards these groups as legitimate orders. And I have studied the order for 32 years.Royalcourtier (talk) 02:02, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Title
The title of the article should be corrected. "Order of Saint Lazarus (statuted 1910)" is very poor English. I suggest "Order of Saint Lazarus (founded 1910)" insteadRoyalcourtier (talk) 02:01, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

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