Talk:Order of St. Sylvester

Requested move 16 October 2015

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The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline (talk) 17:30, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Order of St. Sylvester → Order of Saint Sylvester – Redundant abbrevation. Chicbyaccident (talk) 09:35, 16 October 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 02:24, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose - according to WP:MOSABBR we should base it off of common usage, not simply grammatical correctness. Reviewing the source documents it appears to be 50/50 split between the abbreviated version and un-abbreviated. As such, I suggest it remains the way it currently is. Tiggerjay (talk) 19:45, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't 50/50 rather make it in favor of readability and grammatical correctness? Chicbyaccident (talk) 16:52, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * What's incorrect about abbreviations and contractions? And brevity makes text *more* readable. SnowFire (talk) 22:29, 28 October 2015 (UTC)


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Is the name really the Order of St. Sylvester, Pope and Martyr?
Which source says that the order's official name is the Pontifical Equestrian Order of Saint Sylvester Pope and Martyr? None of the cited sources in the article mention "martyr". The Catholic Encyclopedia article that this one relies on never mentions the word "martyr". In fact, Saint Sylvester was not a martyr, he is not commemorated as a martyr by the Catholic Church, and none of the ancient accounts, even the legendary ones, say that he was a martyr. One photo of a medal says "Sanc. Sylvester P. M.", but the photo of the medal in the article has "Sanc. Sylvester Pont. Max." showing that "P. M." stands for Pontifex Maximus. Can we reword the lead in the article? I suspect that other websites are taking this Wikipedia article and reprinting a fallacy. Cardofk (talk) 20:09, 25 March 2024 (UTC)