Talk:Order of the Jar

Confirmation of the foundation
This order was founded (Order of the Jar) in early-11th century, after lost its function and activity for a long time, and refounded as "Order of the Jar and the Griffin"in the 14th century (also in Spain), so cormfirm almost all the medieval, early.modern and reaffirm modern sources in Basque, Catalan or Castilian languages; and shields of several old Navarran towns in Northern Spain that have include the badge.--Vvven (talk) 17:10, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


 * No. The foundation by García Sánchez III is a legend. It first appears in the history of the Prince of Viana. There is nothing to record about the order before its founding by Fernando de Antequera other than a legend (or tradition) about its origins, itself not recorded until the order was half a century old. Srnec (talk) 01:01, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

well, all i found is a lot of website at first sight that all says that was founded in by Garcia Sanchez of Navarre, but im so bad found sources, (maybe rarely some after could help), whether or not true, This raises questions knowing that if there are still escutcheons forged in the walls of Navarran and Riojan churches and casonas (right in the area of this old kingdom) showing a jar with lilies, and among other things, that there is much more information as to the legend, saying that "appearance of the virgin" inspired him to winning several renowned battles followed, and that gave the collar to his five children (these were succesors, infantes and lords named) and had several knights, and these knights had specific rules to be met, that after i could add. (a sources examples Crest in Coria Cathedral, Valid source of an encyclopedia foundation (from the Basque Studies Society) saying a Basque surname from Navarre, According an arms certification from 1775 that describes the emblem of this order.--Vvven (talk) 13:40, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Salutation or Annunciation? Where has the griffon in the name disappeared?
There seems to be no explanation here for the name "...Salutation", but the (white) lilies of the Virgin, associated to the Annunciation, pop up everywhere. Please clarify. Also, the Where griffon is nowhere to be found in the name & lead (German Wiki has it, also in Spanish: Orden de la Jarra y el Grifo). Btw, much of the article is very poorly Google-translated, many things were plain wrong or lost in translation, so who knows where to look for the cause of the confusing name explanation... Arminden (talk) 18:37, 30 March 2020 (UTC)


 * The user who created this page has since been blocked. I will try to work on it, since I did look into this once upon a time. See, e.g., Torres Fontes 1980. —Srnec (talk) 03:01, 31 March 2020 (UTC)