Talk:Order of the Nation (political party)

Requested move 24 May 2024

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 08:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Order of the Nation (political party) → Conservative Right Party – Order of the Nation – Current name pf the party, see https://aplikace.mvcr.cz/seznam-politickych-stran/Vypis_Rejstrik.aspx?id=369 2A00:11B1:1045:9E4E:2BB:C367:F85B:5D85 (talk) 21:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 11:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Polyamorph (talk) 18:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)  — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 20:34, 16 June 2024 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * I'm not sure what we're supposed to see at that link, but I'm not seeing it. That would also seem likely to show only an OFFICIAL name rather than the name used in independent reliable sources in the English language. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Agree with BarrelProof. No third party sources to suggest this name is commonly used. Jdcooper (talk) 13:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Elected representatives: 6 or 8 ?
Recently I have attempted to find out the political status of Martin Vacek and Radim Vysloužil within the LIDEM party. This article from 22 December 2012 clearly states, that they were not members of the LIDEM party, at least not from that point of time. While this article from 20 June 2013 explicitly confirm this by saying: "Eight deputies belongs to the camp of the ruling party LIDEM (six of whom are party members, two - Radim Vysloužil and Martin Vacek - are independents), and will probably vote for a new government, though its spokeswoman Deputy Prime Minister Carolina Peake yet restrained public say, that their decision will depend on the name of the next nominated prime minister."

My suspicion is, that straight since establishment of LIDEM on 3 May 2012, both of them never became LIDEM party members, but instead opted to become part of the informal "LIDEM parliamentary group" in the House of Deputies - as independents. In that way, they have politically voted and negotiated as part of the LIDEM group, despite not being members of the LIDEM party.

The problem is, that the official parliamentary House of Deputy website has labeled all small parliamentary groups with a seize less than 10 MPs as "informal" (or non attached). So we lack a direct source to find out for sure, if my theory is correct. It would be great, if you can find any source that help clarify the exact status of Vacek and Vysloužil for the period in May-November 2012. If they were never LIDEM party members, then I suggest the article should clarify this by saying: "After LIDEM was founded it had eight members in its parliamentary group, of whom two (Vacek and Vysloužil) however never were members of the LIDEM party itself - but just collaborated with them as independents."

Please help to solve this great mystery. :-) Danish Expert (talk) 15:25, 24 August 2013 (UTC)