Talk:Order of the Sacred Treasure

This needs to be merged with Zuihosho - --Liveforever 8 July 2005 16:34 (UTC)

Moving this page?
Every source I've encountered, including the Japanese Prime Minister's Decoration Bureau's English-language sub-page, identifies this award in terms of a singular noun -- Order of the Sacred Treasure, not Order of the Sacred Treasure s ...? If it would be perceived as an improvement, I would be willing to do the work involved in correcting this trivial error.

Is there is general agreement/disagreement with moving or re-naming this page from Order of the Sacred Treasures to Order of the Sacred Treasure? Perhaps the current spelling re-direct is really all that's needed. --Ooperhoofd 18:28, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Status: pending needed support/citation?
The following names are questionable. Supporting reference citations were not found in a superficial Google search. Any or all can be promptly restored when a verified relationship to this honor is posted:
 * George Edward Gauntlett (Japanese name Ganto Tadashi) --Ooperhoofd 23 August 2007 MOVED, see below
 * Friedrich Lederer, 1992 <:ref> Document Nr. 10819 Heisei 4, Sept.22 --Tenmei 10 October 2008 MOVED, see below
 * Fukuyoshi Kanai --Tenmei 10 October 2008 MOVED, see below
 * Otsuma Kotaka (1884-1970) --Tenmei 10 October 2008 MOVED, see below
 * William H. Rogers --Tenmei 10 October 2008 MOVED, see below
 * Diego Simonetti, 1920 --Tenmei 15:42, 9 January 2009 MOVED, see below
 * Toraji Soma --Tenmei 10 October 2008 MOVED, see below
 * Tse Kai Ann, 1985. --Tenmei 10 October 2008 MOVED, see below
 * Raymond Ernest Oliver (1920-2005) Honor awarded 14 September 1968. Tenmei 13:58, 27 June 2009 MOVED, see below

Status: notability?
Does it make sense to limit new additions to this list excluding those with plainly valid citation support, like Smith below ? Is it appropriate at this stage of the article's development to initiate a standard limiting names on this select list to
 * Sir Edmund Charles Wyldbore Smith (1877-1938)<:ref>London Gazette, p. 10197. 22 October 1920; Peerage: Edmund Charles Wyldbore Smith, ID #32180. RESTORED
 * (a) those who already have Wikipedia articles
 * and
 * (b) those who are notable for something other than being honored with this Imperial decoration -- see, e.g., US Navy Cross edit history?

This diff is a first step in seeking consensus opinion. Tenmei 18:36, 2 April 2009 --Tenmei (talk) 14:20, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

In a context informed by practices which seem to have worked out well at Navy Cross, all new additions who aren't already featured in an article are re-redirected to this talk page section with the following edit history explanation:
 * people listed here must have articles on Wikipedia and be notable for something other than receiving this Japanese honor -- see "Status: Notability" on talk page

The names of those recipients whose award is confirmed by a reliable source, but who do not have an article yet are listed below:


 * 1st class? Jules Chanoine --?
 * 1st class? Eliezer Baptista Da Silva --?
 * 1st class? Tadahiro Sakimoto --?
 * 1st class? Kenchichi Yoshizawa --?


 * 2nd class? Mary Griggs Burke, 1987 --?
 * 2nd class? Samuel A. Goldlith --?
 * 2nd class? Hugh Patrick --?
 * 2nd class? Sakip Sananci, 1992 --?


 * Samuel William Coulbourn (1986)
 * 3rd class? Douglas Greenwald, 1986 --?
 * 3rd class Miyeko Murase, 2010 --?
 * 3rd class? Gaston Renondeau (1879-1967) --?
 * 3rd class? René Sieffert --?
 * 3rd class? Herbert Zachert, 1976 --?


 * 4th class? Georg Heer --?
 * 4th class? Roy Hisashi Inouye, 2002 --?
 * 4th class? Franz Seitelberger, 1989 --?
 * 4th class? Henry Shibata, 2007 --?
 * 4th class? Masaho Takahashi, 2002 --?
 * 4th class? Dayasiri Warnakulasooriya, 1996 --?
 * 4th class? Jesús González Valles, 1995 --?


 * 5th class? Fujitaro Kubota (1879-1973) RESTORED
 * 5th class? Carl Hermann Ule, 1988 --?


 * Class unknown


 * Kiheiji Amamiya, 1984 --?
 * Hilda Chen Apuy --?
 * Charles Appolinaire Baltet --?
 * Tristan Beplat --?
 * Guido Biscaretti --?
 * Alice Bolduc, 1999 --?
 * Klaus Bungert, 1994 --?
 * Willem Grootaers, 1986 --?
 * Fumiko Higashiyama, 1984 --?
 * Tokubei Kuroda, 1939 RESTORED
 * Philippe Marie Joseph François Alain d'Lannoy --?
 * Gerhard Lüke, 1991 --?


 * Masahiko Nakano, 2002 --?
 * Frank Okamura, 1981 --?
 * Masunori Ōseki --?
 * Maurice de Patoul --?
 * Jean-Claude Redonnet --?
 * Charles Shriver Reifsnider, 1941 --?
 * Carl Sumner Shoup --?
 * Thomas K. Shoyama, 1992 --?
 * Sergio Silva do Amaral, 1996 --?
 * Gunther Sohl, 1998 --?
 * Elisabeth Süpke, 1997 --?
 * Samba Tall, 20005 --?

The names of those with neither confirmation by a reliable source nor an article are listed below:


 * 3rd class? Kouichi Masubuchi, 1995 --?


 * 3rd class? Raymond Ernest Oliver (1920-2005) --?

In due course, perhaps all or most of these can be restored to the article. --Tenmei (talk) 18:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Status: verifiability?
Does it make sense to limit new additions to this list? This thread is a first step in seeking consensus opinion.

Is it appropriate at this stage of the article's development to initiate a standard limiting names on this select list to
 * (a) those who already have Wikipedia articles
 * and
 * (b) those whose award of this Japanese honor is also verified by a reliable source citation -- see, e.g., US Navy Cross edit history?

In a context informed by practices which seem to have worked out well at Navy Cross, all new additions who aren't already featured in an article could be re-redirected to this talk page section with the following edit history explanation:
 * the award of this Japanese honor must be confirmed by a reliable source citation -- see "Status: verifiability" on talk page

The names of those with neither confirmation by a reliable source nor an article are listed below:


 * Vladimir Devidé, 1983
 * George Edward Gauntlett RESTORED
 * Friedrich Lederer, 1992 --?
 * Fukuyoshi Kanai --?
 * Diego Simonetti, 1920 --?


 * Toraji Soma --?
 * Tse Kai Ann, 1985. --?
 * Raymond Ernest Oliver (1920-2005) --?

The names of those with an article, but with no reliable source confirming this honor are listed below:


 * 3rd class? Dettmar Cramer, 1971 Citation added (obituary).
 * 3rd class? Edoardo Chiossone, 1891 Citation added.
 * 3rd class? Yuet Keung Kan
 * 5th class? George Edward Luckman Gauntlett RESTORED


 * Class unknown


 * Otsuma Kotaka (1884-1970) --?
 * William H. Rogers --?


 * Yoshikawa Eiji. RESTORED

In due course, perhaps all or most of these can be restored to the article. --Tenmei (talk) 18:14, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Is it appropriate at this stage of the article's development to initiate a standard limiting names on this select list to (a) those who already have Wikipedia articles and (b) those whose award of this Japanese honor is also verified by a reliable source citation -- Yes, every person included should both have an article and have a disinterested, reliable source for the claim of an award. -- Hoary (talk)


 * No. The article is about the award itself, not the people who have received it. Any list should include any recipient of the award, whether or not they have a wiki page. That they do not have a wiki page does not get away from the fact that they received the award. It should always be so. I have been caught out by this in the past. I added a name to a list, only to have it removed because the individual did not have an English Wikipedia page (they had one in another language, which I HAD linked to). We have to get away from this sort of thing.--Samesawed (talk) 10:24, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

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Removed Thomas Maxwell Hague
Removed entry for "Thomas Maxwell Hague (1921-2008), awarded 1992" as not WP:NOTABLE. Internet search did not return any results for the name or the award. If re-added please add a WP:SOURCE. &mdash; MrDolomite &bull; Talk 14:30, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Found original edit here by and will leave note on their user talk page. &mdash; MrDolomite &bull; Talk 14:35, 24 May 2024 (UTC)