Talk:Order of the Seraphim

Knights
There might be a list of knights of this order somewhere on Wikipedia. --Daniel C. Boyer 23:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't appear to exist. There is Special:Whatlinkshere/Order_of_the_Seraphim for members with existing articles.. ❝Sverdrup❞ 17:33, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Requested move 25 January 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian (talk) 21:33, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Royal Order of the Seraphim → Order of the Seraphim – WP:COMMONNAME. Though most other orders have longer more formal titles (e.g. the Most Noble Order of the Garter, the Distinguished Order of the Golden Fleece), we use these in the first line, not the article title. Richiepip (talk) 21:52, 25 January 2022 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support per nom.2601:241:300:B610:29E9:BBAD:27F7:C1E7 (talk) 02:00, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.  Peter Ormond &#128172;  13:09, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

There is no such thing as a "Grand Cross" of the Order of the Seraphim
The Royal Order of the Searphim, is as the highest honour in the Swedish realm which His Majesty The King might confer; only a one-grade order. This means that all who are bestowed with this honour, are all principally equal, only out-ranked by Swedish Knights of the Order and by His Majesty himself as the Order's Grand Master. There is only ever a difference in the style which the bestowed will be granted upon their entry into the order;

1. If the one being conferred the order is a Swedish citizen (which from 1974 onwards only applies to members of the royal family), then they will be known as either a Knight and Commander of the Orders of His Majesty (Riddare och Kommendör av Kungl. Maj:ts Orden (RoKavKMO)) if it is conferred upon a man, or as a Member and Commander of the Orders of His Majesty (Ledamot och Kommendör av Kungl. Maj:ts Orden (LoKavKMO)), depending on if it is conferred upon either a woman or a member of the clergy. Hence Her Royal Highness Crown Princess Victoria, Duchess of Västergötland is a Member and Commander and the other princes' of Sweden e.g. His Royal Highness Prince Carl Philip, Duke of Värmland is a Knight and Commander. 2. Whereas for instance the President of France Emmanuel Macron, who was bestowed the order earlier this year (January 30, 2024), is as a foreigner merely a Knight of the Royal Order of the Seraphim (Riddare av Kungliga Serafimerorden (RSerafO)) and e.g. the late Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom was a Member of the Royal Order of the Seraphim (Ledamot av Kungliga Serafimerorden (LSerafO)).

So to put things clearly, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A GRAND CROSS OF THE ROYAL ORDER OF THE SERAPHIM! There has never been such a thing as a Grand Cross of this order. I've seen it be refered to as a Grand Cross on many wiki pages and this is WRONG. Some of this confusion might stem from wether or not the order is conferred with or without chain, whoever the chain is NOT a separate grade of the order it is a special sign of dignity which one might be bestowed with, mostly granted to a foreign countries' leaders upon their second state visit to Sweden (customarily the chain of the order was granted to all swedish knights up until 1974). This issue needs to be resolved immediatley and with haste.

- CarlsSston (talk) 20:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)