Talk:Organic wine

With the broad range of topics covered in this page - organic, biodynamic, natural - I was thinking perhaps the page should be called Sustainable Wine with those sections included, and then some of the more recent trends could also be included, such as sulfite-free & low sulfite, "made with Organic grapes", and a section for Sustainable Viticulture which would include things like Fish Friendly Farming and SIP Certified. It would be a pretty significant overhaul of the section, but it does read a little out of date to me. Should Sustainable Viticulture be its own page? Should the growing of the grapes be separate from the making of the wine? WriterVit (talk) 21:48, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Just did a fairly significant edit to try and take out some of the 'natural wine' attitude and make the whole thing more approachable and mainstream. Tried to add more references. Can everyone please see whether the 'objections' still apply and whether we can remove the problem box from above the description. --Simplyorganicwine 20:52, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

I have a lot of content available to post to this page, but unfortunately I don't have access to it from this computer. I hope to have it available by next week (mon 30 april). In the meantime I'll post some major headings. --BodegasAmbite 17:46, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, I don't have as much useful content as I thought! Also, i've deleted the headings, as I've just learned that it's not the done thing for writing articles :) --BodegasAmbite 22:14, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Definition of organic
The claim that there are no true organic wines ("Winemaking techniques are not organic") because winemaking is inherently non-organic is backed up only by one article that first makes the claim and then clarifies that "Many wines labeled 'organic' are actually made with conventional methods." However, this does not explain how the claim that winemaking is inherently or necessarily non-organic could be true. Therefore I have altered the text to read, "Winemaking techniques used for wines labelled "organic" are not always organic." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.62.106.30 (talk) 15:56, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I think this article needs a very major cleanup!! and I would like to contribute to doing that, (as soon as I have the time, that is!!). Apart from that, to address the above confusion about "organic techniques" etc, it should really be done in a section of the future improved article. It seems pretty obvious that a technique cannot be organic or non-organic per se! The reality is that many tequniques can be used for making organic wine: some of them the exact same as used for making conventional wine and some will be exclusive to making organic wine. There's also a lot of confusion about the use of sulfites, the labelling info, etc, etc. It'll be quite a challenge to write a good article! --BodegasAmbite (talk) 10:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I've improved things I think, as the previous position was highly confusing, and misunderstood the reference. Yes, it still needs a major cleanup though! Greenman (talk)

POV & tone
The recent additions to this article is written from the point of view of someone who seems to have embraced the teachings of these movements. Claims such as "to improve life in their vineyards and in the wines they create..." look POV to me. The same for discussing biodynamic wines (many of which are admittedly very highly regarded) using terms such as "the key to understanding..." and "biodynamic winemakers see their vineyards in a much broader context" without mentioning that many of the practices used are downright weird in most other vitculturalists eyes and which rely heavily on pseudoscientific views such as astrology. This is by the way an important distinction since organic wine (or "eco-wine") can be made using principles of sustainable agriculture based on a fully scientific foundation. Tomas e (talk) 10:36, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Biodynamics sounds like utter nonsense to me.--JWWalker (talk) 05:53, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Seconded. I had exactly the same thoughts while reading.  Toby Douglass (talk) 15:45, 2 February 2010 (UTC)