Talk:Oriflamme

Porte Orflamme
Might just merge these two, since the other doesn't exist anyway, and has no meaning that really needs to be distinct from the Orflamme itself (or can't be incorporated here anyway). Lordjim13 16:01, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

When was all this?
Some dates would be helpful here. BTLizard (talk) 11:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Image?
I was under the impression that, while there were a few rough descriptions, no one knows what the Oriflamme actually looked like... If so, we should probably mention that, and note the image as being an "artist's conception" or something. 66.167.242.167 (talk) 12:32, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Done Monstrelet (talk) 18:16, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

MILHIST assessment
A weak Start. Article lacks structure and is a random collection of facts. Monstrelet (talk) 15:09, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've made a start on improvement by restructuring Monstrelet (talk) 18:16, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Oriflamme signals "No Quarter"
So for nearly three hundred years the battle standard of the king of france also serves as a notification that no quarter will be given? That would seem to be extremely unusual and at odds with normal practice for the era.

If that really is case, how come there is no backup other than one very old and little known book, and why are the two french victories listed on this page not exactly known for the ensuing slaughter of the defeated? The french apparently captured 9 thousand at Bouvines - hardly "no quarter".

It's also worth noting that according to the the account of William the Breton: "on this very same evening he had brought to him all the noble men who had been taken in battle. There were thirty of them amongst whom were five counts and twenty-five men of such high nobility that each carried his own banner in battle, this without counting the other prisoners of lesser position. When they were all in front of him, he gave them all their lives through the great kindness and compassion of his heart; this even though all those who were from his kingdom and were his liege men and who had conspired against him and sworn to kill him and had acted on this, were guilty and deserved to be beheaded according to the customs of the land. (Indeed, just as an inflexible severity against rebels was burning in him, clemency for those who submitted, as much and even more, flowered in him. This was because his supreme intent always was to spare the meek and defeat the haughty.) In chains and in ropes they were loaded on carts to be taken to prisons in various locations. The King departed the next day and returned to Paris." - contraindicating the 'no quarter' claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.145.32.96 (talk) 12:03, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

The claim is from contemporary material and in the article is sourced from a respected academic source. A counter argument could be placed in the text, provided it was proportionate and properly sourced, not simply a personal opinion.Monstrelet (talk) 14:51, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Was the Oriflamme at Agincourt?
The article indicates that most modern historians doubt that the Oriflamme was at Agincourt. But later the article mentions that Guillaume de Martel had it in Agincourt, where he died. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eni2dad (talk • contribs) 05:34, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

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