Talk:Origins of coffee

Im for merging
i think we should merge these too. there is repeat info, but everything must be organized to do so. I dont know how to do a major edit, but i could. Since I recently completed a research aper (for third year university) on coffee, ive got tons of hard sources - most of this stuff i can find documentation for. I just dont know if i need permission to do a huge edit or anything. Eric Forest (what i mean to say is not that im some sort of expert, but that i happen to have a lot of relevent documentation sitting right beside me)

Why does this page exist?
It appears to closely parallel History of coffee, but is much newer, with some parts rewritten to various degrees. That page and the one here list the other one as the "Main article" on the topic. Do we really need this one? Is it just a test for a future rewrite or content fork? DMacks 17:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


 * This should be merged asap. I've put up the merge templates.
 * Peter Isotalo 11:25, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Goat Theory
As of 8 March, 2007, the article reads: "According to the International Coffee Organization, Kaldi, an Ethiopian goatherd was amazed at the lively behavior of his goats after chewing red coffee berries (Legend of Dancing Goats)." However, the citation provided (available here) states the goat theory is very unlikely. This line should be changed, because it leads the reader to believe that the goat theory is fact. Anyone agree? —Old american century 03:08, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree and have added a factual accuracy dispute banner to the section. Furthermore, the events involving "Baba Budan" are very likely legend. If whoever added this originally doesn't change it, I'll add something to make clear that these events are probably legend. Andrew J. MacDonald 16:42, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The theory about the cultivation of coffee seems like a really childish story. No offense to Ethiopians or whoever created it. But I doubt the veracity of the story. I'll look more into the history of coffee, but I also don't think it should be attributed to Yemenis. Also, why is this article separate from History of Coffee?--Yellowfiver 04:40, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

French Revolution Image
The image used in the text calls it the "Paris Commune" but the enlarged image correctly describes it as The Storming of the Tuileries Palace, August 10, 1792.The Paris Commune was a revolutionary government formed in Paris in 1871. Also the image described Painting of Mocha would better described as being an engraving. Edward Ebden 10:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Dutch cofee
This article (which maybe should be merged with History of coffee), says about how the Dutch came to possess seeds of coffee:

''The race to make off with some live coffee trees or beans was eventually won by the Dutch in 1616, who brought some back from Malabar to Holland where they were grown in greenhouses. The Dutch began growing coffee at their forts in Malabar, India, and in 1699 took some to Batavia in Java, in what is now Indonesia.''

In the main article, coffee, we read:

''The Dutch were the first to start large-scale importation of coffee into Europe, and eventually smuggled out some seedlings in 1690, as the Arabs were not allowed to export the plants or unroasted seeds. This led to coffee growing in Java, which was then a Dutch possession.'' (and this comes with a source).

I think the "1616 seeds in Holland" version must be wrong, since this article also says that seeds were smuggled into India in the mid-1600's by  Baba Budan (Malabar's in India), except if I'm missing something - Badseed 12:51, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Contemporary coffee conflicts
I'd also suggest removing this section entirely as it has no relevance to the origins of coffee. There are already articles devoted to Coffeehouse and Cafe, as well as a "Coffee Shop" disambiguation page, so there are clearly more appropriate locations for this information. --Dgianotti (talk) 21:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)