Talk:Orillia

Politikin
Environmental issues: I feel like I am reading someone's essay. A political statement. This is very slanted towards a certain group's politikin!

I should use the Orillia Transit section for my own personal soap box then hmm? Maybe I should mark up the entire "environmental issues" section with "citation needed" "citation needed" and "neutrality?"


 * Then you must be some kind of an idiot - not uncommon for a resident of the region. Not 6 years ago, when the section was made, two editors worked from opposite sides to make a balanced work of it.  Cock it up as you will, but the citations are for local news papers, and are in there already.  74.13.38.99 (talk) 05:22, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Incorporation
The sign I took a picture of says the city of Orillia incorporated in 1867, while the article says it founded in 1867 and was incorporated in 1875 - someone should probably look into that discrepancy. Janizary 22:18, 18 August 2005 (UTC)


 * You're right about the disagreement in incorporation dates. The info currently on the summary (inc. 1875) is taken from the City of Orillia website, so both dates would seem to be "official"!


 * This has been corrected, although technically I think incorporation as a village was in November 1866. 70.31.66.22 13:02, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

A rather nice page
Although it was quite antagonistic throughout the process, I have to admit that we have hammered out a rather nice wiki page. Any thoughts on what we should tackle next? :-) 70.31.66.22 04:12, 19 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, I could technically get a bit into the Waterloo article, Barrie article or any one of the pages surrounding Orillia. But I'm going to nab the true date of incorporation if I can manage it, as well as flesh out Couchiching a little and try to add some church stats here, there is an inordinate amount of chaples and churches for various sects of Christianity in the city's downtown and surrounding area.  Janizary 08:25, 19 August 2005 (UTC)


 * You might also want to get some nice photos of the waterfront for the Couch section. I'm not sure there is an "inordinate" number of churches -- evidently you have never been to the southern US, where churches are much more common than Tim Hortons are in Orillia! 70.31.66.22 12:28, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Wow, good job on the article. Paul 15:41, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Musings
A very pleasant little city where I was fortunate enough to live for one year in the early 1970's while in my last year of high school.....met some excellent people, made some good friends....John Palmer was a great teacher, a real educator, while others such as Mr. Fraser were in my opinion pompous and self-absorbed...I believe he thought he was the second coming of Irving Layton....it seemed like a place everyone was trying to leave, but the quality of life was excellent....as I recall, more drug oriented than my hometown of Hamilton....Atherley Arms Hotel was a real education in itself with some good times...... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.210.12.95 (talk • contribs) 16:10, February 12, 2006

Casino
It would be interesting to know if the Casino has had any significant economic and social impact on the City of Orillia. As the city was already a summer tourist destination, has the economy been improved on a year-round basis as a result of gambling?..has there been the creation of good jobs?.....C.S Jeffery —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.210.13.210 (talk • contribs) 01:48, 13 March 2006


 * Casino Rama has provided hundreds of jobs, and has drastically increased tourism all year round. Casino Rama is currently being expanded, and a new hotel and recently been built.  It's only getting larger and more important to the Orillian economy.  WGee 02:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


 * So do I, and the Casino has done next to dick all good for the city. Hundreds of local familys have gone belly-up because they're gambling their savings away.  And just to make sure it's noted, Orillia has not been a tourist destination for decades - it's not been worth coming to for more than 30 years.  65.95.241.143 14:05, 21 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, thousands actually. I've worked the past summer there, and there's around 3000 employees. Also the largest single-site employer of first nations people in Canada. Yes, many good jobs have been created, for summer student employment I couldn't have hoped for more. There is definitely an increase in disposable income in the town (for example, look how many salons there are downtown now). A few local families may have had financial problems due to gambling, but perhaps they should have thought of that before gambling their savings away, if people have a legitimate addiction to gambling they can be self-excluded, after all. Perhaps Darwin's theory of evolution will continue and only those that spend their money intelligently will continue to thrive in this city. 72.136.163.118 02:56, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality
I would like some discussion on whether or not it is felt valuable and relevant to have information on the Lakehead Campus coming to Orillia. This is a major step for Orillia in revitalising the downtown core, and providing a strong economic and education impact towards the town. Anyone that's lived in Orillia for a significant period of time will be well aware that the quest for a University in Orillia has been long standing, therefore I feel it is relevant to note the information about the University in the article. There is another user who feels that it is a form of advertising or vandalism. This needs to be resolved.

Also, There is the issue of mentioning that there are a lot of Tim Hortons, but that there aren't really. The "coffee town" section, I feel is completely irrelevant as it clearly states that Orillia has a lot of Tim Hortons, but then states that the number is not disproportionately high for the size of the town. In that case, what's the point of its inclusion. This seems more like Advertising to me than the Lakehead piece, with none of the relevance. Orillia does not have many more Tim Horton's locations than other cities of its size, so why is this part of the article? This also needs to be resolved.

After we can come to some sort of an agreement on this, we can remove the NPOV tag. --141.117.22.127 01:22, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Anyone who's seen Orillia knows the quest for an economy has been failing for more than 40 years now. Adding a tiny, speck of a educational blip in the middle of a nigh abandon downtown is hardly worth a fart.  The wing's existance is noted, and the University is linked within the article.  There is no need to insert a pamphlet for it.  The Tim Hortons' bit was already resolved once, look at this talk page's history.  65.94.57.226 04:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Coffee Town
I looked through the history of the discussion page and am unable to locate the resolution stating why the "coffee town" section warrants inclusion. Can someone point out the reasons for this? It serves absolutely no purpose and basically just says that there are a lot of coffee stores, but then says it's normal that there are that many, and it is NOT disproportionately high. I have removed the parts of this section that aren't verifiable. The rule is: Articles should contain only material that has been published by reputable sources. I left the part of this section that is verifyable, but without the hearsay dribble and references to jokes that someone made, you can begin to see why this section is useless. Anyone still think it needs to stay? If not, I say we remove it soon. --141.117.22.127 07:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Happyland
I added Cumberland Beach and Happyland to the community area - they're not spefically Orillia, but anyone from there describes themselves as Orillians. As far as Happyland goes, I dont know how to make a non-existent page, but someone should note that it has no relation to the band that it links to. (Check a map if you believe me that is exists!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.110.11 (talk • contribs)

Map Tag
I removed the reqmapin|Canada tag from this Talk: page, since a map was added in July by Earl Andrew.

Criticisms
Most of the statistics are useless. My thoughts are; so? It would be better presented with textual explanation. Ex: Orillia is X.XX% white. I feel these statistics are a hokey cut and paste job from Stats Can. If I want to know about Orillia from Statistics Canada, I'll goto stats Canada.

Coffee town? Is that all we can say about Orillia? If we are trying to advertise the town with these silly statements, try the Casino, or the Orillia Opera House, the three main shopping centers, Downtown, the Mall and the SW corner of Highway 11&12. What about the Farmers Market, the Mariposa Market?

What about the economy of the town? I think there should be some focus on the jobs, and the economic history. How are the wages of workers? The education level?

How about some depth into the relationship with other municipalities?

Most of the issues are not important to me or anyone I know, this article about Orillia, is trite, and I think it represents the opinions of very few.

The photo of the welcome to Orillia sign, hardly gives anyone an idea of what Orillia is about.

'Incinerators'? When was this suggested? Source? It seems as if someone providing exposure to little known issues to advance some kind of agenda.

'Bob Rae'? Can we have more information about the Mayor's political agenda. Local politics are more important in the context of Orillia, than provincial politics.

I feel dumber after reading this article, much of the information is useless, and the credibility of information is questionable, this entire article needs a rewrite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.115.213.155 (talk • contribs)


 * Get to work then, the Incinerator issue happened a long time ago now, it's sources are linked within the article, feel free to read them. The information is provided because two editors felt the issue worth working on, and they made it quite nice balancing both sides of the issue cleanly and without overt point of view concerns.  Contributions make articles better, not whining.  If you feel that something needs to be expanded, then get to work.  Janizary 06:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Added a local economy section - I'd like to mention some of the old industries that used to be located in or near downtown, but I don't know enough about them. The section mainly discusses local employers and industries.  There are a couple of changes that I would like to make, but given the contentious history of this article, I thought I'd mention them here first.  First off, the "look and feel" might be better called "Recreation and Culture."  This is the usual label in other articles about Ontario cities and this is mainly what it discusses.  Second, the OPP section should probably concentrate more on the HQ - the fact that the OPP provides municipal policing isn't unique to Orillia.  Orillia is one of dozens of cases where the local police were disbanded and replaced by the OPP.  The HQ however, is very notable, although its temporary location could probably be parsed down to a single sentence.  Third, and this has been brought up before, the donut reference.  Orillia has seven Tim Horton's franchises within the city limits (and two more nearby).  St. Thomas, which has a slightly larger population, also has seven.  Ditto Woodstock.  Owen Sound has 21k people and six.  Residents of most Ontario cities seem to think that their city qualifies as some sort of donut capital when the simple fact is that there are a lot of donut shops (particularly Tim Horton's) all over the province.  I'm sure there is a city with the most per capita, but keeping track of that would take a lot of time & effort.  There is nothing notable about the number of donut shops in Orillia.  I would propose that this section be deleted.  Otherwise, this is a well-written article.  The bit about the incinerator is a bit long for my taste, but if it was of local significance, then it should stay.  The history section was done particularly well. Thoughts?  Blotto adrift 03:29, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Per previous comments...deleted donut section, renamed "look & feel" section (to Recreation & culture) and rewrote the section on the OPP HQ. Blotto adrift 03:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

OPP
Reverted back to the previous OPP page, with some added detail about the Tudhope building and a year for the switchover from the City police to the OPP. There's nothing particularly notable about the OPP providing contract policing services - this has happened all over Ontario in municipalities larger and smaller than Orillia. And the offers of OPP jobs for City constables is standard practice. What is unique here is the OPP headquarters. Blotto adrift 01:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * And what of the fact that this may not be common knowledge in regions outside Ontario? 74.13.38.99 (talk) 14:05, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Rename page

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was move. Mind matrix  12:52, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Rename: Orillia, Ontario → Orillia

Per WP:CANSTYLE. An internet search of non-Wikipedia mirrors suggests this term is overwhelmingly associated with this city. Excluding terms such as Barrie, Ontario and Canada, only 30,000 hits are found, and the first ten pages are all related to the city (eg - businesses operating there etc.). Further, the undisambiguated title currently redirects here. Mind matrix  15:55, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Support as nominator. Mind  matrix  15:55, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. GreenJoe 18:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support, per nom. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 20:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support as per nom. Double Blue  (Talk) 22:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support per Mindmatrix DigitalC (talk) 06:44, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support. Bearcat (talk) 20:23, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Private School
Has anyone heard of the Bethel Baptist's academy in Orillia? We have a church but I have never heard of this school. http://www.bethelorillia.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oreeya (talk • contribs) 18:46, 11 May 2013 (UTC)