Talk:Ork (Warhammer 40,000)/Archive 1

German influence
These Orks were squat, powerfully muscled humanoids, wielding crude ballistic weaponry (usually blackpowder or other explosive projectile-based equivalant) and large 'stikbomz' or stick grenades; along with their helmets and other paraphernalia, these are apparently modelled on German equipment from WWI.

personly I think that the spiked helmets are more of a connection to biker culture than WW1 Germany,

any objections? the statement down below makes you an idiot


 * So bikers carry stick grenades as well do they? Bombot 16:24, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, because the helmets of Hell's Angels are modelled on (or are actual) German World War 1 helmet. See for example.

They resemble both Biker Gangs and WW1 Germany, but I think they are more like the Scottish Highlanders regiment

Agreed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eede2 (talk • contribs) 16:41, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Also worthy to note is that Germany was not the only nation sporting spiked helms, other nations had em and got rid of them due to anti German sentiment. The helmet has become an icon of national belligerency. The emphasis is obviously on the iconic meaning of the helm while the orks as a whole lean towards rough and disheveled motor rebels and Scottish Highlanders.

Utterly absurd. You all need to read more history. The Highland Regiments were renowned not only for their courage but for their discipline and general military excellence, which includes order, care of equipment, and other distinctly un-Orky characteristics. The inspiration for 40K Orks is clearly biker/WWI. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.67.154.166 (talk) 03:57, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

The old stormboy units was modeled after WW1 troos, as they had uniforms and were diciplined. I do not recal bikers wearing uniforms? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.251.229.255 (talk) 08:47, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually the original ork symbol for Ork was a swastika. So they are WW2 German inspired, which is ironic seeing as the Imperium of Man are the real space Nazis. 110.32.33.193 (talk) 12:15, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Alien or mutant?
Are the Warhammer 40000 orks aliens or mutants?

Aliens. There has never been any mention of a genetic connection between humans (or any other Earth animal or plant) and the Orks. (Darth Fanboy 23:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC))

Pece Kocovski 08:57, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

They are related to Fungi you should have read the article Darth Fanboy, but technically they are neither as they were genetically engineered.

Main Units section
I'm tempted to delete this section: it's unencyclopedic and adds nothing to the article. Any other views? Cheers --Pak21 10:18, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Now done --Pak21 13:37, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree. It seems to only half-heartedly want to discuss anything Orkz.

I add information to it when I can.

Amusing
I find this article higly amusing. 24.43.218.30 22:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Same here. This is one of the few fictional species that drink airplane fuel.

First contact
'First contact with the Orks occured in 2027 when Earth first tried to send manned missions beyond its own solar system. The result was devastating: 20 colony ships met the Ork battle fleet and all 2000 passangers and crew were killed. This set a precident for the first Intergalactic war in the history of mankind. The Earth Alliance fought back stopping the Ork Invasion at Pluto, with the further loss of an outer civilian tradng post (although only 10 crew were on board at the time) and the loss of several Type 42 destroyers. The Orks are a War Driven race who live only for conflict. Their technology is somewhat odd, all their ships are different and the systems fitted to their craft or the weapons carried by their troops (and how reliable they are) are all determined by what salvage was available when the unit/soldier was kitted out. There is no such thing as a civilian ork population - they all fight or do their job depending on their caste. There are thought to be six castes, each identified by a small glyph on the main ork logo.'


 * There any source for this? It doesn't look official, and I've never seen it before, but it's best to check. Take it out entirely, or is there something salvageable in it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.63.0.36 (talk • contribs).

I don't remember anything like that, but somewhere (2nd edition codex imperialis I think) it mentions the mechanicus still recieve transmissions from an ancient space probe (something like voyager) and there are ork signals showing anywhere humans can go the orks will already have got there Murray.booth 11:16, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if this is all actually official, but there is mention of the contact between Humans and orks in the original Rogue Trader books "WAAAGH! Orks" and "'Ere We Go!". A lot of the information in these books have been retconned, but the contact stuff has never been reviewed, and as is general custom with Warhammer fluff, what hasn't been offically stated as altered, hasn't changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.108.225.113 (talk) 10:57, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Technology
Could those anon IPs who are removing the paragraph from the technology section please give a reason for doing so? Cheers --Pak21 19:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Happily. The Anzion theory (the section undergoing removal)has already been described in the article and is therefore not needed to be mentioned a second time. The fluff the statement is drawn from is currently lividly contested by most of the fan community and is probably wrong, as its contested by half a dozen different pieces of fiction. Dakkagor.

After waiting for a reply, I have made a comprimise: I have ammended the Anzion Theory section to state it is a theory, nothing more, and provided the common counter arguments. To those naysayers, remember that the Anzion theory is repeatadly discredited by pre existing fluff and following background. It is a single, discredited crackpot theory. On an unrelated point, I wrote well over half the original wiki entry. Dakkagor.


 * With all due respect, your changes appear to be original research. Which reliable sources are you using? You are correct that it is unrelated how much of the original entry you wrote; it is Wikipedia policy that no editors get special treatment. Cheers --Pak21 14:28, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Main Units
I just felt that the Main Units section would have been of use to those who wanted to play the game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PigottDM (talk • contribs).
 * Possibly true, but this is an encyclopedia, not Codex: Orks. Cheers --Pak21 11:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I dont suppose you could provide a link to "Codex: Orks" since youve gone out of your way to deprive people of the aforementioned material. Cheers.


 * Go to the Games Workshop website, and look through its store. The U.S. link would be http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/orks/
 * Click "Orks Store" in the menu on the left side, then click on... dun dun-da dun dun dun daa... Codex: Orks.  It's 15 USD.  --Melissia 09:08, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I'l sort this out as soon as I get the codex.eede2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eede2 (talk • contribs) 16:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Article
Meh, this article was surprisingly very entertaining. Maybe its just me, just the fact its Orks, or is it really? As for writing this article in a manner of a different POV (to properly represent a work of fiction), I guess I'm not understanding. The one who tagged the article says, "It sounds like its implying and written in a style that the storyline is true as opposed to written" ? Colonel Marksman 17:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

This article repeats itself A LOT
The possible origins of the Orks are mentioned 3 times, the nature of their technology three times, a list of Oddboyz is given twice, etc. In addition to a seperate heading for these topics, they are each elaborated on in more general sections.

Famous orky quotes?
I'm not a tabletop player, but I absolutely love the lore and fluff of the 40k universe. Your article on the orks here is a fun read and I laughed out loud on several occasions. Anyway, I was wondering if you could maybe add a section for famous or iconic quotes (and their contexts) like the one about red vehicles.

Wha?
They drink airplane gas?

Yep. Ork fuel is generally thought of to be alcholic (Ie brewed rather than refined, though at a proof strong enough to strip paint and guts) so can be sued as both.

How do you sue fuel?--Eede2 (talk) 16:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Red
I don't think the rules for the colour red have changed yet. So why isn't it mentioned in the article anymore? AllStarZ 03:59, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Because people don't feel like being awesome. They instead made the page confusing and cluttered. It should be orky. Red mades things fast! Its orky good! SanchiTachi 04:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Incomplete ?
First, there wasn't mention that a wealthy orks is a big one, not a rich one. Like a original orcs, a orks clan can success only if the members are strong and the more "easy" way to obtain it is to go to war and eat the losers and even the fallen orks warriors.

Also there are a hypothesis that say that the technology of the orks came from a early STC Standard_Template_Construct.

Also there wasn't a mention why the orks aren't afraid of death, since they don't have a contact with the Nightbringer (a fact). --Magallanes 16:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I moved this down to fall in line with the trend of catagories in talk pages go chronologically. I hope you don't mind. If you can source the information on the nightbringer, STCs, and the wealthy ork information, please provide them. I would like to see what is said and we would need the sources to put them into the page (two birds, one citation). SanchiTachi 19:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

The nightbringer part is in codex:necrons

Immortality?
Are Orks really immortal or do they just never live long enough to die of old age? The article seems to suggest both. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)


 * Orks are essentially animal/plant hybrids, and thus it isn't such a stretch to assume that they are immortal in the sense that they're ageless. They also never stop growing, IIRC.  --Melissia 09:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Orks will continue to grow so long as they keep killing. It's estimated that Ghazhkull is over 100 years old, and nearly 20 feet tall Whodaloc (talk) 20:19, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Orks and corruption by Chaos
After reading the section on the Waaagh, I have to wonder where that comes from?

Orks, to my knowledge, aren't immune to corruption at all. They are resistant perhaps, but that's more due to their general mindset than the Waaagh (after all, chaos cults aren't typically very orky, even khornate ones). Also, I seem to recall some mentions of Orks being corrupted, and then killed because they aren't orky 'nuff.

Where is the source of this statement that they are immune to corruption? --Melissia (talk) 21:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Concerning Gorgutz' Mob
OK, so is Gorgutz' mob of Orks considered (in layman's terms) a Klan or just simply a Waaagh!? I'm just saying this because I'm kinda confused about this at the moment. - Frostmourne 16 (talk) 09:37, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Subspecies - Gretchin
This paragraph does not make sense. It refers to the Gretchin being like Gretchin.

I think that this is the result of a merge of paragraphs on gretchins and snotlings; any comments?

--Mlongcake (talk) 15:11, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I think the writer meant to say goblins.--Eede2 (talk) 17:00, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes I think thats right.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.81.68 (talk) 16:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Da Klanz
In 'Da Klanz' section there appears to be no mention of the Flash Gitz, who are a major ork Klan (called so because they are the richest Klan due to the fact that their teeth grow faster than other orks) any help or advice from someone who knows more about this subject than me would be much appreciated.

Da Flash gitz are freebooters but often origonataite from the bad moonz clan. :)--82.110.217.46 (talk) 11:56, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Da Makin' of Ghazgkull Mag Urak Thraka
There are many things this website talks about but the one thing that they have missed out in this entire army is the story of the inner core of it all...... Ghazgkull!! He is the big man and is also known as the prophet of Da WAAGHH!! This guy was a normal ork like any other you would see in an army but after taking a bolter shot to the head and having limbs cut off, he was taken to the Mad Dok Grotsnik, the worst surgeon you could ever ask for and with his "help" and his grot orderlies he managed to screw on an adamatium skull and replace his entire body with a suit of mega armour and a massive power claw! After that huge transformation he was never the same, he slowly climbed up the ranks tearing apart his enemies and fellow orks limb from limb and after many days! HAR HAR HAR! He went onto destroying his warboss and becoming the big man himself. After that history of the orks was changed forever as they travelled the galaxy trashing everything in their paths with his mega armoured body guards and his army of the infamous Goffs. That is the real story of Da Prothet of Da WAAGHH! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloodwhacka (talk • contribs) 17:33, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

List of ork Quotes and funny stuff:
Red ones go Fasta!!!

Grechins manning big guns often go deff and develop a for of sigh lagauge...Unfortuately thia does not work very well as grechins are very small and can't carry manny signs!

If it ain't straped down it aint steelin'!

Whats big, shhoty' killy an' flys?....No blooming idea but im gonna find out!

--86.177.81.68 (talk) 17:20, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Parentheses
Started editing and gave up half-way. If something needs parentheses, it is too colloquial for an encyclopedia. Way too much of that in the background here, and it bogs it down.Khanaris (talk) 22:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I disagree whole heartedly as the majority of the orkoid language is made up of coloquialisms. 58.108.225.113 (talk) 11:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Oddboyz
This whole section seems to be filled with conjecture and out of date facts. Even some of the terms escape me as to their origin. I believe that someone should do some research in this area, specifically: Pigdocs, sumboyz, mindaz and diggaz. It may just be my own ignorance, but I do not recall any mention of Pigdoks or Sumboyz. Mindaz in the latest version are grotts, and diggaz are feral humans from the Gorkamorka game supplement "Digganob". As according to the gorkamorka Rulez and "Da Uva Book" as well as the Digganob supplement, Diggaz are humans who hide underground to shield themselves from the planets harsh sun, and revere orks, even so much as to immiate them in appearance.

Aside from this the entire article seems rather messy and/or out of date, and should probably be rewritten. 58.108.225.113 (talk) 11:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)