Talk:Orlando, Florida/Archive 1

City parks?
I'm surprised there is no wiki article detailing the city's parks system. No time at the moment to make one, but figured I'd put forth the suggestion that one be made. 128.186.99.153 03:45, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

a picture
This page seriously needs a picture of the skyline of the city. spirobrewer 5:15 (American Central Time) 10 December 2006

Skyline pictures have been previously added multiple times by different users but are continously deleted for unknown reasons. I strongly suggest the addition of a current pernmanent skyline picture. Floridian06 (talk) 18:32, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Famous people
Are we now including the Orlando-Kissimmee Metropolitan Statistical Area with Melbourne, FL? I know many people tend to do this, but on paper Melbourne-Palm Bay-Titusville is another statistical area. Darrell Hammond and Carrot Top are NOT from the Orlando Statistical Area and thus should be removed and migrated to their respective cities/statistical areas. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.151.12.8 (talk) 17:41, 22 December 2006 (UTC).

famous people section
Anyone else notice that the external links section is riding up on the famous people section, I looked at the page and don't really see why its happening. Did I miss something obvious? I don't want to just put a bunch of br's in to make it go down lower. Matthewvelie 06:31, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone fixed it since. It was probably an error in the way the table was put together. --ssd 17:20, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Im not necesarily an expert on the matter, but I don't believe Marilyn Manson has any connection to Orlando, so I question his being in the famous people section. Anyone have any clue what the connection is?


 * This list has been migrated to List of famous people from Orlando, Florida. Dr. Cash 03:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

removing Barry university
There's a nice GIS map, but it wants some cookies. Barry is actually two streets away from the Orlando border at the time of this writing. The city's jerrymandered all over the place, they're likely to annex Barry if it's worth anything anyway. IMHO if you reMOVE schools from a list like this, you need to MOVE them to the correct city or make a list for the unincorporated parts of the county anyway. --ssd 06:27, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

More than two streets, at least a mile. I agree with keeping all the regional schools, as long as the text makes it clear that they're not actually in Orlando (as it now does). --SPUI 10:47, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Attractions
I have to question the value of including Kennedy Space Center in the list of Orlando attractions. It's nearly an hour's drive down the Beeline Expressway (a toll road) and in a different county altogether (Brevard vs. Orange). KSC may be easily considered "within driving distance" and possibly a popular destination to visit while in Orlando for other reasons, but the connection with the city itself seems tenuous at best. --DynSkeet 14:32, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * It's sort of an Orlando attraction by association, since Orlando is the closest big city to the KSC. --b. Touch 15:05, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I disagree. If we are going to say that then we are lumping the Melbourne-Palm Bay-Titusville Metro area into that same mix, which by all appropriate standards it is not. We should distinguish Brevard County attractions from Orlando attractions. If we are going to include this, then we may include it in Central Florida or Space Coast Area Attractions section, the latter being more preferable by the Brevard County Chapter Chamber of Commerce.198.151.12.8 19:24, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Climate
The warmest temperature ever recorded in Orlando is 100&deg;F. Funny that - the warmest temperature recorded in Gravesend, England is almost a degree warmer, despite the fact that Gravesend has to suffer the temperate, changeable British climate as opposed to the sunny, subtropical weather system that Orlando and the Florida tourist industry enjoys. --Andrew 09:44, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Uhm, great. What the hell does that have to do with Orlando? Nothing.198.151.12.8 19:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Sister cities Section -- Eiffel Tower
The Eiffel tower is not made of copper, nor is it covered in copper paint. According to the officical Eiffel Tower website, it is made of puddle iron. "This iron is the result of a special baking technique relying on swirling during the liquid phase to prevent the carbon and the impurities in the metal from associating. It was quite well used in the 19th century all over Europe." (http://www.tour-eiffel.fr/teiffel/uk/pratique/faq/index.html)

I don't know if the replica at Epcot is made of copper, but the real one is made of iron.

Also, the tower in World Showcase, supposedly a gift form France, was there when the park opened in 1982, ten years before France opened it's Disney park so why would France give this gift to Orlando? a quote is needed, because that doesn't seems to be truth.

FYI, in the Volgograd sister cities section, Orlando is named as one, but in this article Volgograd is not named as a sister city of Orlando. 68.205.81.87 (talk) 21:11, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The City of Orlando lists Orenburg, but not Volgograd, as a sister city. Do you know of a reliable source (not a Wikipedia article) that states Orlando and Volgograd are sister cities? -- Donald Albury 00:55, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Photo request
''Seine-et-Marne is particularly notable to Orlando, as it is the home of Disneyland Resort Paris. As such, the Départment gave Orlando a 1:13 scale model of the Eiffel Tower that now sits in the France area of the World Showcase at Epcot. It is made of copper just like the original, but additionally painted in copper paint. Since the France area is supposed to represent Paris at the end of the 19th century, the paint keeps the tower at Epcot from oxidizing into the typical green color of the original Eiffel Tower and the Statue of Liberty, also copper.''


 * A photo of this scale model would be nice to have added to the 'sister cities' section, to accompany the write-up. The write-up could use a reference citation as well. Dr. Cash 03:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Better night photograph needed
The current (July 17th, 2006) photograph of the skyline at night isn't very good. It's blurry and not level. --4.235.81.23 09:43, 17 July 2006 (UTC)Tim G

Spam, spam, spammity spam
I'm getting sick of having to clear out the linkspam in this article every few days. Wikipedia is not an advertising resource. Let's focus on adding encyclopedic content to this article, instead of a free ad for our favorite tourist guide. -- SwissCelt 11:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm in agreement that the orlandoguide link does not appear to be "official" and thus should be removed per WP:SPAM. OhNo itsJamie Talk 18:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * OrlandoAreaGuide.com is the official Area Guide for Central Florida Investments...One of the largest investors in Central Florida and the Largest purchasor of Walt Disney World tickets. CFI owns an number of brand name hotels, resorts, restaurants and other stores accross the US. It is one the companies based in the South East U.S. I proposed that OrlandoAreaGuide.com be readded. It has some of the most detailed attraction informatino and is growing daily. It also has it's own Wiki. >User:geniusboy Talk 21:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Currently a user is continuously added a advertising link, clamming it is a cited source. I've been removing this link but the person seems rather stubborn and did not discuss why the link must be here. I feel that the external link section should be removed, and if possible, the article be partially protected. The user's edits are  . Aalox 15:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Since our anonymous editor decided to try claiming it was viable under WP:CITE for stating where the Lynx bus line travels, I decided to go straight to the source and cite Lynx's website. I will be keeping an eye out for the readdition of this, as it is not a necessary link and is commercial in nature. The Dark 16:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Neighborhood sub-section.
I think that the "neighborhood" sub-section of the article is in need of more attention due to a few editors continuing to add unincorporated communities (outside the city limits), more commonly Conway, Dr. Phiilips, and Pine Hills. Yes, these areas have an Orlando P.O. address, but they do not lie within the city limits. --Moreau36 13:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * A large part of the problem is that the city limits look like abstract art. I'm not even sure if all the Waterford areas are part of Orlando proper.  Mailing address alone isn't sufficient, since large parts of unicorporated Orange County have Orlando mailing addresses.  I'm leaning toward the opinion that this is a rather useless list that's inaccurate and doesn't add to the article. The Dark 16:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Conway is the name of an officially designated neighborhood within the Orlando city limits. The Conway article mentions that parts of Conway have been annexed by the city, presumably the Conway neighborhood is made of these parts. The city GIS system could be used to generate an accurate list of officially designated neighborhoods.--HarryHenryGebel 12:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, this sub-section needs an overhaul. http://www.cityoforlando.net/planning/deptpage/neigh_index.htm this link seems to be a comprehensive list of neighborhoods in the Orlando city limits, which the list in the sub-section should be limited to. riffic 04:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Below are all the neighborhoods listed in the drop-down on this page, this is an official list of neighborhoods in the city of orlando. if it isn't on this list it shouldn't be on the neighborhood subsection in the article. riffic 04:57, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Gainesville?
Is Gainesville close enough to Orlando to include famous people from that city? I don't think it is. Generally, if people from other cities are included at all on a city's article, it's limited to people from contiguous suburbs. I'm not sure Gainesville is considered a suburb of Orlando; in fact, I'm fairly certain residents of Gainesville would contend that assessment. -- SwissCelt 06:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. They should be removed.

(JoeCarson 12:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC))


 * Yeah, G-villes a 2 hour drive (but can be up to 4 on gameday)--Porsche997SBS (talk) 02:54, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

City limits population over 300,000?
Am I'm missing something here, but what's the source of the population leap other that the city recently annexed significat amount of densly-populated suburban land, which I haven't read anywhere. Please help out. At last look, the city's population is still over 200,000. --Moreau36 14:52, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Demographics
Somebody needs to fix the table of numbers in the demographics section. I am a new user and do not know how. Dachshund2k3 19:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Buena Vista
ISn't Disney in Buena Vista? It even mentions that The city is best known for the many tourist attractions in the area, particularly the nearby Walt Disney World Resort, which is in the Reedy Creek Improvement District (outside Orlando city limits). If it's outside city limits, Why is it mentioned? Therequiembellishere 22:22, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Ask most people what city they think of when you mention Disney World and they will tell you Orlando. Most probably think it's in Orlando. It does not matter that Disney is technically outside of city limits, it is "in the area..." as the article states. (JoeCarson 23:29, 4 March 2007 (UTC))

It seems a little much to have two of the few pictures on the Orlando, Fl page be of Disney World. No, from a resident side, Disney is very much NOT part of the local culture despite it being true that Disney was the catalyst to much of the economic success of Orlando. UCF's ever expanding campus (including a new medical complex), and the ever expanding downtown should be focal elements of this page. Disney takes an hour to get to from some parts of Orlando. Further, only part of the property is even in the same county as Orlando (Orange). If we want Disney on the page, maybe it is better to show pictures of the Lake Eola amphitheater- which Disney helped to build, or the Space Mountain car which is on display in the UCF Engineering building. I believe Disney is helping to fund the construction of the new performing arts center, as well. It is a disservice for Wikipedians to present Orlando as simple background to the theme parks. That might have been true of the Orlando of yesterday, but the metro's 2 million + residents deserve better. Regardless of what some out of town tourist might think of Orlando, Disney is NOT in Orlando and culturally, you could live, work, play, and converse with many locals in many parts of Orlando without ever realizing Disney exists down I-4. Moreover, I have visited the Empire State Building but do I feel like I have enough expert knowledge on Manhattan to modify its Wikipedia page? No. Should this article be a projection of what Disney enthusiasts think Orlando is (I felt that way before I moved here!) or should it better represent the true culture of Orlando reflecting what it is like to actually live there? If you agree with the latter, we might as well be placed on Disney's marketing payroll. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.107.70 (talk) 05:11, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


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Kind of a wierd fact for the Introduction
Quote from first paragraph: "The city is best known for the many great Bums,Escorts and..." I really dont think the city is known for its bums and prostitution. If you live there mabee, because I do, and everyone knows which streets to avoid, but I cannot see that is a well known fact, that should be included within the article. Or atlest not in the intro paragraph...KoRnOnThEeKoB 19:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Ya the entire opening paragraph is screwed up. Last time I checked the Mayor was not "McCheese." So if someone could create a opener thatd be great. Im going to delete the obvious grafitties. KoRnOnThEeKoB 19:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Fixed the opening paragraph & removed the biased references to Orlando's homeless and gay populations. Donniewan75 16:26,  3 May 2007 (UTC)

Crime
I was looking for crime statistics but the article doesn't seem to have any. Isn't this something that should be included for a major city like Orlando? KnightLago 03:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.  No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result was no move. The Evil Spartan (talk) 20:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

It has been requested to change the article name to "Orlando", as Orlando is big enough and well enough known to not need any clarification of where it is. 199.125.109.129 (talk) 21:49, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose per . EJF (talk) 11:41, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I like the current naming convention and think being consistent across city articles is a good thing. -- Donald Albury 21:27, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you mean Support? See for example, Chicago, New York City, Paris, London, Ghaziabad, New Delhi, Amsterdam, Beijing, Hong Kong, Istanbul, Darwin? What's up with picking only well known US cities to add their state to the name? While you are at it, change Los Angeles, Seattle, Honolulu and San Diego as well. Adding the state to all of those is absurd. 199.125.109.54 (talk) 18:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Please see Naming conventions (settlements). By consensus, the current naming convention for populated places in the United States is the "comma convention", i.e., "city, state". Only cities in the AP Stylebook book may have their articles named as "city" only, and Orlando is not on that list. -- Donald Albury 01:29, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it is the removal of them from those articles which is borderline acceptable for the two given at best and which encountered considerable opposition in those cases, and absurd for almost any other American places. Gene Nygaard (talk) 15:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * And Darwin is a dab page, as it ought to be, between the city, Charles, and Erasmus. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:46, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong Oppose per current naming convention. &mdash; Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 20:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose per current naming convention. JPG-GR (talk) 07:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose per per current US naming convention.WHATaintNOcountryIeverHEARDofDOtheySPEAKenglishINwhat (talk) 05:43, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose In addition to the naming convention, Orlando is ambiguous with Ariosto's hero. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:45, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose for 1) consistency with most cities and towns in the USA and other major federal countries (and current convention). 2) The first thing I think of as "Orlando" is a wine, not a city. This is a global encyclopaedia. It is much easier to identify and fix ambiguous links when they link to a disambiguation page than when they link to a popular article about the wrong thing. --Scott Davis Talk 05:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose, for both the consistency and the ambiguity reasons. Gene Nygaard (talk) 15:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page, such as the current discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Cattle racing?
The third paragraph under history says early settlers made their living by cattle racing. Is this true, or a misspelling of "raising"? LamarChan (talk) 04:00, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Additional Counties...
While it has been established that Orlando is in Orange County it has been my understanding that part of the city spills into neighboring Osceola County. Can anyone confirm this and if so where and should it be included as part of the article. Simon Bar Sinister 04:04, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * This map, which is cited as a source in the Neighborhoods section, shows Orlando extending down to the county line, but not extending into Osceola County. Unless and until someone can cite a reliable source that the city does extend into Osceola County, the answer appears to be no. -- Donald Albury 11:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * City of Orlando limits extend as far south as the Lake Nona area south of Orlando International Airport, however, it does not extend into Osceola County. The metropolitan area of city limits only extend no further south than the north area of International Drive and Universal Orlando Resort. Everything south of Universal Orlando is in unincorporated Orange County. Floridian06 (talk) 12:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I was quite certain that the southern boundary stretched only to new the airport, but was surprised to find that it has been increased a lot in the past 20 years... but it does not enter Osceola County... though it does now reach the border. See the city's webpage map at http://www.cityoforlando.net/gis/pdf/AnnexationMap11x17.pdf JeopardyTempest (talk) 21:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup
In its current state, this article is a mess. It is loaded down with many lists; per Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files, wikipedia articles are not mere collections of internal links, and Wikipedia's style guide on embedded lists states ''Most Wikipedia articles should consist of prose, and not just a list of links. Prose allows the presentation of detail and clarification of context, while a list of links does not. Prose flows, like one person speaking to another, and is best suited to articles, because their purpose is to explain. Therefore, lists of links, which are most useful for browsing subject areas, should usually have their own entries: see Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists) for detail. In an article, significant items should be mentioned naturally within the text rather than merely listed.''

Additionally, some of the lists are full of items which fail to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines, particularly the media section, which has many obscure newspapers, magazines, and internet radio stations; the economy section, with a long list of companies which have a presence in the area; and the education section, with about a dozen redlinked or unlinked colleges. The tourist attractions section strays well outside the city of Orlando, and much of the content there would be better suited to either an article of its own or inclusion in Greater Orlando, which covers the entire Lake/Orange/Osceola/Seminole county area. The same can be said of much of the culture section, which contains a lot of information about the surrounding area, which doesn't belong in an article about Orlando itself, but rather the whole region.

This article is overly long; splitting off some of the lists would alleviate the problem, and some of the more comprehensive sections (history, sports) would be suitable as separate articles with a seealso link and a summary here in the main article.  Horologium  (talk) 17:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I've glanced through the article a couple times. But before we do any major revamping, we can take out three sections right off the bat.  First of all, the list of media should not be expanded into such a long list.  I'm sure the Orlando radio and tv markets have naviboxes you may subst in.  Second of all, the list of companies really do not improve the article, but merely adds indirect advertising, so IMO, it needs to be removed.  Third, entertainment should be split off into another article altogether.  Let's model this article after a FA-class city article like San Francisco.  Horologium, lets make a list of things that should be spolit off into another article and work from there.   - Jameson L. Tai   talk  ♦  contribs  20:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'm also noticing that there are very few number of sources used in this article. While we're revamping we might need to either look up the uncited materials or remove some of the original research.   - Jameson L. Tai   talk  ♦  contribs  20:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I saw that you fixed the mess with the TV and radio stations. I went ahead and nuked all of the unlinked (or mislinked) stuff in the newspaper section, and outright deleted the internet radio and magazine sections, since none of the entries in those two sections have Wikipedia articles. I did the same to the unlinked and redlinked universities. We should go through and remove all of the companies which are not headquartered in the city; it's still quite a list.  Horologium  (talk) 21:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Regarding references, you are right. I see four references in the infobox, zero in the lead (not a problem), three in the history section, one in topography, three in climate, one in neighborhoods, four in Metropolitan Statistical area, three in Demographics and languages, one in culture, one in entertainment and performing arts, one in the entire Tourism section, none at all in the gigantic sports section, five in the Economy section, none in Education, two in Transportation, and one in Crime. Some of the sections desperately need more references, such as History, Culture, Entertainment, Economy, and Sports, and the NPOV nightmares in Transportation and Crime.  Horologium  (talk) 22:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and templated the light rail section in Transportation (NPOV and OR) and simply deleted the NPOV violation in the crime section. The bulleted list in the Economy section contains 20 separate claims that need to be verified; about 15 of them reference specific publications, but don't have dates or links. I suspect that many of them will have to disappear.  Horologium  (talk) 23:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, so I tried a couple different ways to edit parts of the article, but it just doesn't seem right at the moment, so I'm not going to deploy it. What I might end up doing will be to take each section, including the lead, and make it into my sandbox articles, and we can fiddle around with it as much as we like until we can agree on something. Does that sound ok to you? 68.126.191.20 (talk) 01:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * That is one option. However (and I speak from experience here, having tried something similar with the Florida article last year), if there is any sort of heavy editing done on the article. your sandbox will get buried (how's that for a mixed metaphor). Sandbox edits are useful for obscure articles, but there is way too much traffic here to effectively develop a sandbox revision, and many of the editors don't read the talk page and won't be aware of the project. Breaking the article up into easily digestible portions (separate articles for each section) might make the task that much easier, but we ought to look at the easy fixes first, and save the sandbox for copy-editing later on.  Horologium  (talk) 02:05, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * lol I guess Wiki logged me out on my last comment. I guess we should just make lists of things that we should break off.  I think a split like See also: List of companies headquartered in Orlando, Florida like See also: List of companies headquartered in San Francisco, California would work pretty well.   - Jameson L. Tai   talk  ♦  contribs  02:42, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Update: ✅ List of notable companies in Orlando, Florida created and economy section of main article shortened.  - Jameson L. Tai   talk  ♦  contribs  04:34, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I believe the next big thing to take care of would be the list of attractions. The list should be a separate page while we deal with the other sections. Take a look at the different naviboxes on the bottom of San Francisco, California. I think we might be able to reproduce some of the same articles if we need to. Although we probably won't need a navibox for the attractions, it's a good place to fork the article and minimize the Disney/Universal dominance in the article.  - Jameson L. Tai   talk ♦  contribs  07:10, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Another thing that I've noticed is the economy section. I feel that the section is more of a section on Central Florida's economy structure rather than the economy of Orlando itself. It definitely needs some cleanup.  - Jameson L. Tai   talk ♦  contribs  22:48, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I've created a new article for sports in Orlando, Florida. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 16:35, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Suburbs
Having just modified the suburbs section, it seems the editor(s) who added Daytona Beach (and other cities) as suburbs of the Orlando area have no actual knowledge of the Central Florida area. The entire section could be deleted, as it cites no sources at all. It is so wrong it isn't even possible to correct.

This didn't stop me from trying. FX (talk) 16:33, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Additional material
Just saw that you have been reworking the article. Could you add material detailing the city "going green" and the extensive bike paths? These are notable and do not convey in the current version. Thank you for your help. ~ All Is One ~ (talk) 21:55, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

South via I-4: a trivial point, but...
Just a thought, the lead states in part:

"Walt Disney World Resort, which is located in Lake Buena Vista about 20 miles (32 km) south of Orlando city limits via Interstate 4."

It seems to me, in the interest of mind-numbingly picky accuracy, that speaking about a cardinal direction via an interstate ought only to reference the cardinal directions that are actual traversable on that interstate, from a signage point of view. In this case, it should state, "20 miles West of Orlando city limits via Interstate 4," as I-4 is an E-W interstate, not a N-S interstate, whatever actual direction one may be able to physically travel on it. In any event, Disney is much more properly Southwest of the city than either South or West. Just my two cents as an an obsessive-compulsive editor. Bradford44 (talk) 20:45, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


 * (Moved this to the end of the page; discussions should be added to the bottom, not the top.) You're right about it being southwest; I'll change that. As to the whole I-4 East/West thing (WDW is west of Orlando on I-4), Wikipedia is not a travel guide, so we don't need to detail how to get there. Giving the physical location is good enough.  Horologium  (talk) 21:27, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

WonderWorks
I'm surprised that the only reference I could find to the WonderWorks attraction was in the list of Orlando attractions. That place should really get its own article. In fact, the description of the place doesn't even say what the building looks like!--Silver 20:51, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

That's because Wonderworks is an overpriced, moldy, tourist-trap. A one-liner about the place is TOO much information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.208.110.32 (talk) 22:58, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Skyline Photo
On the current photo collage the image of Cinderella Castle should be removed as it is not located in Orlando, Florida. Floridian06 (talk) 13:56, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Can somebody add an Orlando skyline photo at the top of the page? It could use one.

The latest skyline photo was unexpectedly deleted. I request the addition of a new pernmanent skyline photo. Floridian06 (talk) 18:32, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm driving down next week. If I get in a good enough view of the skyline, I will definitely take one. 24.184.90.191 (talk) 21:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

What happened to the night-time panoramic shot? That was one of the best yet and it was removed. Floridian06 (talk) 12:49 14 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.170.47.133 (talk)
 * I added one today, it's from earlier this year and features the new sky scrapper, 55 West, the condimunium tower. It's a government picture. So it will do. -- A3RO (mailbox)  00:46, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Any chance of getting one of those large panoramic photos of Orlando? The Tampa and Atlanta pages have beautiful panoramic skyline photos. It would be wonderful to see a similar one on this page, considering Orlando's skyline has doubled in the past 10 years. Thanks! Donniewan75 (talk)

Hospital services
Orlando has two non-profit hospital systems: Orlando Health and Florida Hospital. Orlando Health's Orlando Regional Medical Center is home to Central Florida's only Level I trauma center, and the adjacent Winnie Palmer Hospital for Women and Babies has the area's only Level 3 neonatal intensive care unit. Florida Hospital's main campus is ranked as one of the best hospitals in the nation, and has a renowned brain attack facility.[citation needed] Orlando's medical leadership will be further advanced with the completion of UCF's College of Medicine and a new VA Hospital, both of which will be located in a new medical district in the Lake Nona area of the city.

This section appears to have a couple of issues that could be presented better. First, it is unclear what it means for Orlando to "have" two non-profit hospital systems, as each is comprised of a half-dozen or more individual campuses, only one or two of which are actually located in Orlando's city limits. Second, contrary to the statement in the article, Florida Hospital also has a Level III NICU. Bradford44 (talk) 18:32, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Due to no objections, made edit reflecting two hospitals with level III nicus per above. Bradford44 (talk) 04:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

ORMC is also a verified trauma Burn Center according the the FL DOH. MoggieBleu (talk) 19:10, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Sources for Sister Cities
I noticed that no source was cited for the list of sister cities. I found a list of sister cities on the city's web site, and corrected the list in the article to conform to what the City of Orlando says its sister cities are. I also question how two US cities got on a list of International sister cities. If Orlando has some sort of "sister city" relationship with any US cities,that should be noted separately, with a reliable source cited. -- Donald Albury 00:52, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Geography Section
This section uses very poor grammar and sounds very unencyclopedic, would anyone like to do a rewrite? Applepwnz 04:12, 20 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Applepwnz (talk • contribs)


 * I agreed, so I pared down a lot of the junk, and moved a section about tall buildings to the section, which I retitled. The section needs more expansion and referencing, and the list of buildings should probably be pared down, but it's better than it was.  Horologium  (talk) 14:13, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Sister Cities
I think the layout of the "Sister cities" section should be changed. There are no dates listed, so there is no reason for a "dates" column. Information on each cities region is superfluous, since anyone curious about local geography can navigate to the appropriate article. In addition, it is difficult to read since the country is listed before the city, which is an uncommon arrangement. For these reasons, I am going to change the table to a list. --N-k (talk) 01:07, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Economy
I think the tourism subsection needs to be indented under economy.

If this economy subsection were broken out into its own article, it could be referenced from the Central Florida article. Maybe there is a metro article somewhere that could link to it; and probably Orange County. It would have to be summarized in this article. Student7 (talk) 17:10, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion
I'm thinking of creating a Transport in Orlando article. LibStar (talk) 07:57, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Food Not Bombs
Orlando's Wikipedia Entry Needs either a full section, or a mention of The city's action against food not bombs. I do regret for not reading the rules before posting on the Wikipedia. I apologize for editing in an improper fashion. However this is an international news  receiving event, it is also referenced on Buddy Dyer's (our mayor) Wikipedia page & Lake Eola's wikipedia page. (thanks to me :) While researching for this talk article I found out that anonymous is planning an attack on Orlando's websites Over their actions with food not bombs. This is possibly a landmark event to my knowledge it is the first cyber attack on a city over their political actions by Anonymous.
 * passing news events do not usually qualify for inclusion in a city article. also see WP:UNDUE and WP:RECENT. LibStar (talk) 14:20, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Food Not Bombs has been getting press for a while (5+ years.) I remember reading about them in the local papers before moving away, so I can assure you it's not recentism at all. riffic (talk) 03:48, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't be surprised that there is no mention of Food Not Bombs here, why would would the good burghers of Orlando want to be tarnished with the news that their right-wing ideologies continue to cause great hardship and unnecessary human suffering to those most in need. I mean these god-fearing white Repuiblicans go to church every Sunday like the good hypocrites they are, then come Monday completely the ignore the message contained within the parable of the five loaves and two fishes. The ordnance was passed because this charitable organisation was apparently feeding too many homeless and complaints were made! Starving homeless people on the streets, well that's just dandy but feeding them, well that's just disgraceful. So according to this article, Orlando cannot be seen to have disparity - think of all the money-carrying tourists - so FNB was told to get lost or get a permit. You will not find sympathy from the likes of User:LibStar because they are just doing what every good wikipedia rules lawyer does, from Jimbo down, er they claim great calamity by referring to a load of cherry-picked policies when really it's all comes down to WP:IDL. BTW most of the homeless are black so that's another reason why the whole thing has racial overtones due to the city council being predominantly white.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.155.73.51 (talk) 14:52, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Structure
Hi. I'm going through all the US Cities (as per List of United States cities by population) in an effort to provide some uniformity in structure. Anyone have an issue with me restructuring this article as per WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. I won't be changing any content, merely the order. Occasionally, I will also move a picture just to clean up spacing issues. I've already gone through the top 20 or so on the above list, if you'd like to see how they turned out. Thoughts? Onel5969 (talk) 19:59, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2014
Please change

The Peabody Expansion Tower, Winter 2010, 428 ft (130 m), is the tallest tower in Orange County outside Orlando's city limits.[18]

to

The Hyatt Regency Orlando Expansion Tower, Winter 2010, 428 ft (130 m), is the tallest tower in Orange County outside Orlando's city limits.[18]

Please see link below. Hyatt Hotels Corporation acquired The Peabody in 2013 and it is now part of the Hyatt hotel chain. http://investors.hyatt.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=228969&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1850281&highlight

DeronJ123 (talk) 23:18, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks. - MrX 23:34, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

winter
there are places on other planets with winters that are 40 degrees warmer than Orlando's winters. There even may be places where intelligent life lives on other planets that have places with winters 70 degrees warmer than Orlando's winters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2:2380:27E:8D0E:5F1B:EEB2:4D72 (talk) 21:46, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Timeline of Orlando, Florida
What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 14:00, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Walt Disney World is in Lake Buena Vista, not Orlando. Anywhere suggesting that it is (in Orlando) helps to reinforce the ignorance held by an already highly misinformed (about many things) public.

74.138.165.174 (talk) 21:54, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

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 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20140314190141/http://www.cityoforlando.net:80/about_orlando.htm to http://www.cityoforlando.net/about_orlando.htm
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 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20120928053817/http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/cb07-42tbl3.xls to http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/cb07-42tbl3.xls
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Orlando Population
I'm going to do my absolute utmost to be as crystal clear on this as I'm not limited in character usage here. Bear with me as I don't know Wikipedia's coding, terminology, culture, whatever. I didn't even know there was a talk feature until just now.

The original Orlando article claimed Orlando's metropolitan population was 26th in the US. That statistic linked to (and still links to) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_metropolitan_areas. Go ahead and click the link and see where Orlando is. It's 20th - not 26th. So the article says it's 26 and provides a reference in support of that contention - except that reference does not support it. I didn't cite a new reference because there IS NO NEW REFERENCE. It's the same reference as before, only correctly stated on Orlando's wiki.

You provided a competing citation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Core_Based_Statistical_Areas#United_States. First, that citation does not apply to METROPOLITAN areas, as stated in Orlando's wiki. Your citation applies to CBSAs; it's not the same as a metro area. You're comparing apples to oranges. Second, that was never the cited reference in the article.

Click the links and look for yourself. This is one giant pain in the neck to correct a minor mistake and Wikipedia's interface is incredibly confusing and convoluted for a new user. I won't even bother next time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.196.167.196 (talk) 01:19, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clarifying your edit. The link to the list of "metropolitan areas" does include Orlando as the 20th largest, however it's misleading because it includes several counties (Orange, Osceola, Seminole, Volusia and Lake). If you look at this:
 * Greater Orlando, commonly referred to as the Orlando metropolitan area, Metro Orlando, and for U.S. Census purposes as the Orlando–Kissimmee–Sanford, Florida Metropolitan Statistical Area, is a metropolitan area in the central region of the U.S. state of Florida.
 * So, I believe this is a case of the term linking to the wrong article (which I will correct). If you still believe that I am wrong, then I would welcome your explanation of why Ormond Beach and The Villages should be included in the Orlando Metropolitan area given their distance from Orlando proper and the fact that they are not contiguous communities. Let's continue the discussion on the article talk page. - MrX 01:42, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

The US Census released 2014 population estimates. Their estimate for Orlando is 262,372. Should this page be updated to reflect that? Here is the link with the info: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12/1253000.html Donniewan75 (talk) 14:38, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

deadliest mass shooting in modern United States history
How can this be called the deadliest mass shooting in the US history if it isn't by a long shot? The deadliest one occured on 29 December, 1890 at the Wounded Knee where 7th US Cavalry murdered about 300 people, including women and children. Norum 19:02, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Because the media has repeatedly called it that. It should be changed to "the deadliest mass shooting by a single gunman" as in the main article.- MrX 19:08, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Orlando (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 12:14, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Rees->
'later residents misread "Rees" as "Reeves"' change to 'later residents misread "Rees->" as "Reeves"' because the pine bough marker had a direction arrow?68.40.122.133 (talk) 18:51, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I propose that Orlando's Summer of Love be merged into Orlando, Florida. The term, which seems to have been used only by a single journalist, does not seem notable enough for its own article (while there are 15 sources in the article, only one calls it a "Summer of Love"). I think that the content in the Orlando's Summer of Love article can easily be explained in the context of the Local culture section of the Orlando, Florida article, and the content of the Orlando's Summer of Love article, which consists of a single sentence, will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Ahecht (<span style="color:#FFF;background:#00f;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-0.3em;line-height:1;font-size:50%;text-align:center;">TALK PAGE ) 17:45, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * (Casting vote of Indifference) See also: Beacham Theatre. It may be too much topic for Orlando as there's a whole electronic music genre of Florida breaks (plus the sub-genres) that sprang from it plus a national rave crackdown part of it that started in Orlando (ending the summers of love) and even recent Summer(s) of love celebration events. It is too big a topic for Beacham Theatre or Florida breaks or Electronic dance music . I did not check Rolling Stone for specific mention. Johnvr4 (talk) 18:31, 1 March 2017 (UTC)


 * MERGE. Orlando's Summer of Love  is not a viable article as it stands.Rathfelder (talk) 08:09, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Merge. Non-notable on its own. MereTechnicality   ⚙  23:57, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Fort Gatlin
I've added Fort Gatlin to the etymology section rather than to the history section (since Orlando once used to be called Fort Gatlin) and made other improvements. Please review my changes. The Etymology section may need to be renamed Etymology and early history. Johnvr4 (talk) 15:23, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

I suggest that the full etymology discussion (which is very nice) be moved to its own page, and be replaced with a summary on the main Orlando page. It's just gotten too long, and is distracting. Jess_Riedel (talk) 03:22, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Pre-European history
The section states that the area was populated by the Seminole before 1536, but according to the page Seminole and other sources the Seminole did not exist until the 18th century. Editing the sentence to remove the reference to the Seminole. Skimpburger (talk) 15:25, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Disney World is Making Rides for Sony/Columbia-TriStar-Warner Bros-Screen Gems and Fox-Paramount Studios
Disney Buys the Electronics maker Sony to acquire WarnerMedia for the New Sony/Warner Bros Studio Tour and the New 21st Century Fox-Viacom's Fox-Paramount Studios is replacing Disney's Hollywood Studios for October 19, 2019. DisneySonyWB (talk) 18:38, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 5 November 2019
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 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 17:34, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Orlando, Florida → Orlando – The only notable "Orlando" is this "Orlando". Other major cities, even those with smaller populations, are only referred to by the name of their city (see, for example Cincinnati). In addition, the widely accepted name for the city is just "Orlando". As per our naming conventions, we should call it by its accepted name. -- Rockstone   talk to me!   18:43, 5 November 2019 (UTC) —Relisting. Wug·a·po·des​ 04:48, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:CRITERIA. The proposed title is recognizable, natural, concise yet precise, and consistent with how 99% of cities are titled on Wikipedia. If Orlando were a town with 50 residents in France, the article would have been placed at the proposed title 15 years ago.  Calidum   18:52, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * As with others although I think it would be a good idea since it does fall foul of WP:CONCISE, its not one of the big 30 on the AP Stylebook per WP:USPLACE which advocates that its common usage in the US. On the other hand we might need to follow User:Born2cycle/You can't change the guideline first.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 19:02, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Note that this kind of proposal is listed at Wikipedia:Perennial proposals. At the top of that page it says:
 * "This is a list of things that have frequently been proposed on Wikipedia, and have been rejected by the community several times in the past. It should be noted that merely listing something on this page does not mean it will never happen, but that it has been discussed before and never met consensus. Consensus can change, and some proposals that remained on this page for a long time have finally been proposed in a way that reached consensus, but you should address rebuttals raised in the past if you make a proposal along these lines. If you feel you would still like to do one of these proposals, then raise it at the Village pump."


 * I believe that the existing consensus cannot be overturned on this page, and recommend that this proposal be taken to a more widely seen forum, such as the above mentioned Village pump or Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names). - Donald Albury 19:51, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, we don't need to follow community consensus in all cases; it's not carved in stone. If there is enough support for this change here, I'll bring it up in the village pump for other major cities. -- Rockstone   talk to me!   23:16, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * when you wrote above were you not aware of WP:USPLACE or do you disagree with it? In ictu oculi (talk) 14:47, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * same question, when you made the move request were you not aware of WP:USPLACE or do you disagree with it? It is actually written in stone, albeit that the stone has been chipped at repeatedly by a handful of opposing editors for years, with the stone remaining despite the disruption. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:50, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I was aware of it, but I wasn't aware that it was considered a done deal. -- Rockstone  talk to me!   16:34, 13 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Support - this is the article which is more notable and famous than the others in terms of what's listed on the Orlando (disambiguation) page. You have pages such as Dallas or Miami whose places with the largest articles, population etc. does not have the identifier. Iggy (Swan) (What I've been doing to maintain Wikipedia) 22:06, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * A notification of this discussion has been placed at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names). - Donald Albury 23:16, 5 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose. It's been a while since someone has proposed something like this, but WP:USPLACE has been discussed many, many times and the convention has always been retained. In any case it can't be changed or overturned on one city's talk page. Right now we have a very clear rule: We use City, State for U.S. cities except for 30 named cities where an authoritative Reliable Source has determined to omit the state. It's good to have a bright line. Abandon that rule and we will have chaos, constant arguing at individual cities. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:32, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * An RM to rename Tacoma, Washington to Tacoma was rejected back in September on WP:USPLACE grounds. The nom for Fort Lauderdale, Florida back in July was withdrawn after being told about WP:USPLACE. iirc, those are the only ones so far in 2019. Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:04, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per WP:USPLACE. This is not one of the exceptions to the COMMON practice of including the state along with the city name. Blueboar (talk) 23:43, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:USPLACE and Blueboar. SportingFlyer  T · C  02:10, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose Per WP:UCN. Newspapers use "Orlando, Fla" or similar. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 04:02, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose, WP:USPLACE, as stated by others. Orlando does not fall under the AP Stylebook exception like Cincinnati does. The consensus in the numerous archived discussions regarding WP:USPLACE (listed near the top of WT:NCGN and at Perennial proposals) is that a consistent convention, commonly-used by most reliable American sources, overrides conciseness on these article names. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:39, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, on the issue of a primary topic for "Orlando", Orlando Bloom seems to get more than twice the average page views of Orlando, Florida.|Orlando,_Florida Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:21, 6 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose per WP:USPLACE. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 00:19, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Support. Yes, "Orlando, Florida" is a name of this topic, but so is "Orlando", and the latter clearly meets WP:CRITERIA better than the former, primarily by WP:CONCISE. Yes, you can argue that the current title is more WP:CONSISTENT, but that's putting the cart before the horse, as proposals like this are precisely about overturning the USPLACE convention. Besides, the proposed title is more consistent with place names outside of the US than is the current title. So consistency is, at best, a wash. So the only reason to oppose this proposal is to follow a rule for the sake of following a rule, which strikes me as being contrary to the very essence of WP. I've been predicting for years that USPLACE will remain controversial as long it stands for unnecessarily disambiguated titles like this one (and, yes, including the state in the title is disambiguation, even though the result is also a name of the topic), and this is another case proving my point. We can end the US-centric hypocrisy now, or prolong the misery until some future date. I suggest we fix this now, and this move would be an excellent start to that. --В²C ☎ 00:19, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose I fail to see how the city is the primary topic, nor how shortening it helps navigation, so that's a lose lose.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 07:14, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose firstly WP:NOPRIMARY, secondly WP:USPLACE. !Votes by any usual suspect(s) against WP:USPLACE should be disregarded as persistent disruption. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:43, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * WP:NOPRIMARY? Orlando has been a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to the Florida city since 2008. USPLACE results in situations contrary to CRITERIA and PRIMARYTOPIC like this one, so it should be no surprise that it is challenged and will continue to be challenged as long as it continues to contradict the policy, guidelines and conventions we follow for all other titles on WP. --В²C ☎ 17:24, 13 November 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.