Talk:Ormon Khan/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: TrangaBellam (talk · contribs) 10:54, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Initial impression

 * The quality of prose is decent. Reliable sources have been used. I do not spot any wild inaccuracies and/or issues of POV. It will take a few days for me to go through the article slowly; I am acquianted with C. Asian history (see u/p) and might propose usage of better sources etc. But, on the overall, I expect to pass this article without much fuss . TrangaBellam (talk) 10:54, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * , Any progress on the review? Curbon7 (talk) 17:17, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Readying my draft response; ordered for a couple of books, that led to the delay. Will post my first comments tomorrow! TrangaBellam (talk) 17:34, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Comment by a455bcd9
File:Kyrgyz Khanate map.jpg is unsourced and in Russian: probably better to remove it. a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 11:06, 1 January 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅. Thanks for pointing that out! Curbon7 (talk) 23:21, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! a455bcd9 (Antoine) (talk) 09:58, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Minor qualms

 * Please remove the red-links from the lead.

Misc.

 * Ormon's reign saw a centralization of the Kyrgyz tribes needs to be reframed.
 * However, Ormon's father, Niyazbek, is said to have made "little impression on Sarybagysh memory" besides being the father of Ormon - Please mention the reason, speculated by Prior in note 15.

Sourcing

 * At 25, around the year 1816, Ormon had risen to become the chief of the Sarybagysh tribe. - Poor citation practices, and poor choice of using wikivoice. There is a reason why Soltonoev is explicitly attributed in the source; his dates are often wrong. See Prior; p. 106 for an example.
 * Fixed. Curbon7 (talk) 20:42, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Curbon7 (talk) 20:42, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Concluding Comments
I am afraid that this is a quick-fail (Criteria 2b). However, I will wait for comments from the nominator. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:55, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


 * For the record, the Students.com.kg was NOT meant to make it into the final form of this article; I was only utilizing it while in draftspace as a substitute for a different source which included the same material but was much more inaccessible due to language, and I forgot to replace it when I was finished. I think there are arguments to be made why the Turdalieva book isn't as bad as it seems, but this is indeed irrelevant due to the fundamental issues with the Este.kg and the Proza.ru sources (which, again just for the record, seemed legitimate at first glace; the language barrier played a role with those), which make up a core chunk of the article. While this content likely exists somewhere, it is more than likely in Russian or Kyrgyz language books, such as those listed in the Further reading section, which as a non-speaker are almost entirely inaccessible. Concur with qf, didn't realize there were such fundamental issues with those two sources. Regardless, thanks for the review Curbon7 (talk) 20:41, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries, Curbon7! TrangaBellam (talk) 06:18, 27 January 2023 (UTC)