Talk:Ormside railway station

Is the photo really of Ormside?
This (reverted) edit may be correct. Can anyone (? ?) verify the current photo or suggest a replacement? --Northernhenge (talk) 21:02, 30 December 2017 (UTC)


 * This comment was made in the article by : Please note: the photograph shows Kirkby Stephen goods shed, signal box and station building, not Ormside. Ormside station building is actually situated on a long straight stretch of track, not a curve, both the station and signal box were located on the down side of the tracks, not the up side, and there was no goods shed at Ormside. --Northernhenge (talk) 23:13, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

I have a copy of a photograph of the real Ormside Station prior to demolition. It is identified as such on the photograph itself, and I'd be perfectly happy to upload it... if I can be sure that the person who described my edit as 'vandalism' will not delete it ... Riggers386 (talk) 17:32, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I recommend you go ahead, provided you know the copyright situation. It was a piece of software, not a human, that calculated your reverted edit looked like vandalism, a bit like when an email spam filter thinks an email is spam. I don't know what rules it uses. This wasn't a human, but unfortunaltely it's true on Wikipedia that some humans do shoot from the hip. it's nothing personal. --Northernhenge (talk) 21:03, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure of the copyright situation : I downloaded it myself. It is a black and white photo, and can be accessed easily by typing "ormside station" into google, and selecting the 'images' tab. I know it to be definitely a true picture of Ormside station because it is very similar to another photograph I have in a book ("The Leeds Settle & Carlisle railway" by Martin Bairstow, page 45. What astounds me is the high and mighty attitude of some of the administrators on Wikipedia: without even checking the facts, the edit is dismissed, (I accept what you say regarding cluebot - but if it's that inefficient - what"s the point? This isn't the first time this has haplened an edit I uploaded several years ago, regarding the closure plans for the S & C being known about even in the sixties, rather than the eighties, was dismissed out of hand - even though the evidence is clearly available - actually being pointed to, in a link in the wikipedia article itself! Riggers386 (talk) 07:45, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * If you are not sure of the copyright situation, it's almost certainly copyrighted to somebody else. Downloading it yourself does not transfer copyright. Being black-and-white in no way implies that it is somehow less of a problem than a colour photo.
 * Admins are not being "high and mighty", they are enforcing a legal policy. Copyright theft is a crime in many countries. I suggest you look at Basic copyright issues. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 16:38, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * What on earth are you talking about? I DIDNT upload thr photograph precisely BECAUSE I AM NOT SURE OF THE COPYRIGHT SITUATION. As for 'enforcing a legal policy' you are simply deliberately changing the subject from the question of whether or not the photograph shown on the 'Ormside Station'' page really IS of Ormside Station ...or is, in fact, actually a photograph of Kirkby Stephen, to one of a question of copyright, in a vain attempt to save face... or in other words acting in a high and mighty manner. I have pointed out to you a glaring (and for anyone prepared to do even the most basic research, painfully obvious) error, and rather than offering thanks for the tip, you climb on your high horse and delete the edit. Well as far as I am concerned, you can go ahead and continue to aid the continuation of the publication of factual inaccuracies as long as it makes you happy - and continue Wikipedia's reputation for inaccuracies to the point at which it becomes a laughing stock (almost there already.) Riggers386 (talk) 17:55, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I am merely trying to offer advice about uploading images.
 * I because they do not belong in the article. Per Help:Talk pages, talk pages are administration pages where editors can  discuss improvements to articles or other Wikipedia pages. Comments about the accuracy of information are precisely the sort of thing that belongs on a talk page. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 20:36, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * The question posed by Northernhenge was "can you verify the photograph?" Still haven't had an answer... HAVE WE? Riggers386 (talk) 22:21, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * And the photograph (of Kirkby Stephen station, signal box and goods shed) does not belong on an article about ormside station... Not quite so quick to delete that though... Riggers386 (talk) 22:25, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
 * You wrote I'd be perfectly happy to upload it to which responded I recommend you go ahead, provided you know the copyright situation. That is why I am trying to assist with copyrights. Of course, if you don't want my help, you could ask at WP:MCQ. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 22:50, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

...And still no answer Riggers386 (talk) 06:18, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

--

Thank you for everyone for getting involved! (Reading all of the above, it is clear that everyone has the same positive goal of improving the article, but the answers are getting mixed up. Once again, thank you to all. Hopefully a legally-usable replacement photograph can be found.  —Sladen (talk) 13:05, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * , thank you for alerting everyone that the picture is the wrong station. The article has now been corrected by removing the photos from the article.  (Separate issue over at Commons: the metadata on the photos needs correcting and then the photos renaming.  Photos are now in commons:category:Settle to Carlisle Line until fixed.
 * , thank you for raising this on the Talk page. (Discussion about improving/correcting the article should take place on the Talk: page, not the article itself).
 * , thank you for the open reminders about the strict copyright requirements on Wikipedia. (And that this means not uploading photos unless the name of the photographer is known, and this photographer has confirmed that they are releasing the photos under the CC-BY-SA licence for use on Wikipedia).


 * Looking at the maps http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=54.5479&lon=-2.4668&layers=168&b=1, and this photo http://www.stagwalks.com/307/307-17.jpg, we can see that Ormside should have a bridge between station building and signal box, two gables on the station building rather than three, and no goods shed (the box was built fairly late, after any liekly shed). So that photo was indeed wrong, thanks for removing it. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:11, 5 January 2018 (UTC)