Talk:Ornithocheiromorpha

Targaryendraconia and its placement

 * From what I've seen in a document, it described this group as being a sister taxon to Anhangueria, not within it. Shouldn't it be move into that position? OviraptorFan (talk) 14:07, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Got that fixed. Jurassic Classic 767  (talk | contribs) 03:10, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Guidraco vertebrae
[[Media:Guidraco.jpg|This image of Guidraco]] is a foam reconstruction of the isolated head and spine - an in-progress picture from the construction of [[Media:Walking dragon.jpg|this mount]]. I don't think it's a good choice of image for the vertebrae section, because most of the vertebral column is reconstructed based on related taxa ([[Media:Guidraco venator 324.jpg|the actual fossil only preserves a few cervicals]]), and it may be difficult for the reader to determine where the cervical series ends and the dorsals begin, so making reference to the length of the neck could lead to the wrong impression. I've replaced it with a plate containing illustrations of Istiodactylus's vertebrae (including the notarium), although it could be replaced with a different, more fitting image. Shuvuuia (talk) 23:22, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * While I think the paragraph is fine to remain, I agree the image should be replaced, I was going to put in Tropeognathus since it was mentioned in the section but there were no images of its verts. The image doesn't even match the known cervicals, which are much more elongate. IJReid { {T - C - D - R} } 23:45, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I actually agree on the things you' ve said, and I guess the "mount" of the vertebrae is still being "mounted"? I also agree that the Tropeognathus would actually be the best idea, but the problem is that we don't have, so for now we just go for Istiodactylus then? Jurassic Classic 767  (talk | contribs) 07:21, 31 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks for expanding the vertebrae section, and mentioning Istio, Anhanguera and Zhenyuanopterus within. I wasn't actually expecting that.


 * This may not be related to the Guidraco vertebrae talk, but that cladogram I added to Mimodactylidae was no OR, it was originally by Kellner 2019, though as suggested by User:Shuvuuia, we should include the topology by Pêgas 2019 (Targaryendraconia + Boreopteridae), 'cause their identical (according to Shuvuuia), but I think the final decision is that we'll just use separate cladograms (which aren't OR) for certain taxa to avoid confusion. Jurassic Classic 767  (talk | contribs) 07:21, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Unfortuntely no the result of Pegas is not identical to that of Kellner. While the Pegas result is what was used, with the addition of Mimodactylus sister to Haopterus, it is not a published result in any way because of the nature of analyses. It would be more proper to say "with Mimodactylus sister to Haopterus as in Kellner 2019" but this is still artificially illustrating a result that was not published. IJReid { {T - C - D - R} } 15:34, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That was also what I was thinking, so I made a cladogram with the Pegas results (the second cladogram), excluding Mimodactylus according to the analysis of Targaryendraco, and since Lanceodontia is a synonym of Ornithocheiromorpha, it'll be the closest to precise to put in the classification section (well, I've already put it). The "composite" cladogram of Pegas 2019 + Kellner 2019 analyses was Shuvuuia's idea, and I insisted that no refs say it, but I haven't received a response since my last reply. Jurassic Classic 767  (talk | contribs) 16:24, 31 May 2020 (UTC)