Talk:Orochimaru (Naruto)/Archive 1

English Voice Actor
He doesn't have one? Well, when he's disguised as the Grass Ninja, he certainly has one... maybe they're the same? Best to assume that until we know there will be different roles... Tyciol 09:50, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Steven Jay Blum will do the US Orochimaru. Brian

Actually, its been confirmed by Kyle Herbert. Steve Blum plays Orochimaru. Two villians in one show... Violent-kun 02:38, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Amachi/Amachii, the Mad Scientist
Does anyone know where I could find this guy? I'm thinking of moving him wherever he is under village of Sound... Tyciol 09:50, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

"defeating a small country"
I had always assumed that the reason he could defeat a small country was because he himself had a small country of his own. Not that he could actually defeat every member of a small country (which, as an aside, seems unlikely given the number of super prodigies found in the ninja world).


 * Actually, I think that it really is because of the power. It might not be in straight combat, but as he is quite snakelike, by "poisoning" the minds of the people in the country. And just look at how damn hard it is to take care of the boss summons. He can summon Manda, enough said. Remember how hard it was during the invasion of Konoha to take care of even the quite big but definitely not manda-size snakes? Imagine Manda and Orochimaru and several resurrected people streaking through an entire country, decimating and eating (in manda's case) whomever got in their way.

Exerci 17:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Ori boy cannot defeat a small band. You must have have forget, he is a weak ninja no matter how scary or terrible he apears Kakshi can kill him with his eyes and hand binded. Zabuza is way stronger then both of them and even he cant make the coupe on a small country without the support of a ninja army. Ori is just like Darth sedious(spelling?) in star wars while darth sedious is the weakest Darth lord to have ever spawned he was able to manipulate the galaxy and become emperor. Obi wan can kill Darth Kakashi can kill Ori. I'd like to ask someone to edit this part it just doesent sound right. thanks - Kara umi (to lazy to log :p)


 * You sound like a total fanboy. ^_^ You know that right? Zabuza doesn't even begin to have enough power to beat either Kakashi or Orochimaru. Also, Kakashi wasn't a part of the Sannin, so I really don't think that Kakashi is more powerful. Even the Akatsuki makes plans so that they can attack when Orochimaru is weak. Although Itachi could probably beat Orochimaru (Orochimaru said himself that he was scared of Itachi), the rest of the Akatsuki would probably lose, except for the leader, of course. If Orochimaru does succeed in taking over Sasuke's body, he'd probably equal Itachi, as Orochimaru could easily attain the Mangekyo Sharingan. Even now, Orochimaru is extremely powerful, and he could possibly take out a country quite easily. Your just saying all of this to praise Zabuza, who was quite easily killed by Kakashi, who would probably lose to Orochimaru if they fought. ~ Ultimate Perfect Chaos 20:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC) ~


 * You sound like a half-fanboy too. Orochimaru was handicapped for most of Naruto I, so his complete power is unknown. And being a Sannin doesn't mean you are necessarily very strong. There are Jōnin and nuken-nin that have ability that surpass The Sannin. Doomed Rasher 21:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The Sannin would hardly be fazed by your average Jonin-level ninja. Heck, look at the Invasion of Konoha, in which Kakashi and Gai annihilate endless hordes of Sand Village Jonins without using any special abilities. Kakashi is not as powerful as most S-Rank ninja (after the timeskip, perhaps, as having the Mangekyo Sharingan is a huge bonus), and he was scared out of his wits when Orochimaru confronted him after he performed the Fuja Hoin on Sasuke. As for Gai, well, he could perhaps fight them after opening a large number of Gates, at the cost of severely injuring himself without a guarentee of victory. Yes, perhaps certain members of Akatsuki (notably Itachi) would have the potential to equal and possibly defeat the Sannin, but they are far beyond the norm. Your average Jonin doesn't even stand a ghost of a chance.


 * And to the previous purpose of this discussion, yes, Orochimaru likely could run through an entire country. First the country doesn't even necessarily to have a Hidden Village, hence ninja are not required to be factored in. As such, with Manda, people revived with Kuchiyose: Edo Tensei, and Orochimaru's own innate abilities, he would easily plow through a country. That statement was largely in regard to whether Orochimaru could destroy a country, sans the Hidden Village. I think we can agree that that is completely possible. Sephiroth BCR 06:40, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I know this came in too late but to Doomed Rasher who said being a Sannin doesn't mean you are necessarily very strong is just wrong. If a ninja (or group of ninjas) did not possess exceptional skill, then why would they even be granted their namesake 'Densetso no Sannin'?. Densetso means legendary right? A person should have accomplished something big for him/her to be legendary. And uhh, were you able to watch the episode where Itachi and Kisame flee after their confrontation with Jiraiya? --Beef noodles 20:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to say, Orochimaru has, in essence, killed 2 Kage(3th Hokage, 4th Kazekage). Case settled.


 * (1) Like the guy above me typed, he has already killed 2 kages, what more evidence do you want? How's about: (2) Orochimaru proved in the post-timeskip that he's not to be messed with. He was able to hold his ground against 4 tailed Naruto, I'd say that's pretty nasty... (3) Being a Sannin doesn't necessarily equal being powerful, being LEGENDARY often equals being powerful, Orochimaru is a Legendary Sannin... I'd say that's pretty much a synonym for being powerful. Conclusion: (4) Yeah, I think Orochimaru is pretty much capable of defeating a country.

What fight were you watching, exactly? Orochimaru used the first and second hokages to attack the third, orochimaru himself did little against the third other than stabbing him with his sword. Had the third used the demon seal earlier, orochimaru would have had his soul sucked out and died. As for the four tail naruto fight, oro did NOT hold his own. Everyone of naruto's attacks would have killed orochimaru. Naruto's concentrated chakra ball broke through what was orochimaru's ultimate defensive technique. Oro's body even started rejecting him due to him exhibiting too much power from having to try and deal with naruto. Even oro's sword, which was said to be able to pierce anything, barely scratched naruto. Oro was lucky not to die.

I do believe that being a Orochimaru is a Sannin, and Orochimaru is strong. But Orochimaru is not strong because he is a Sannin. Sannin is not a rank, it is a title. A unique title that was given to him and two others. I will not deny that to gain that title, Orochimaru, Jiraiya, and Tsunade would have to be incredibly powerful. But you must remember that strength is a matter of circumstance. Given the right circumstances, anyone could defeat Orochimaru. The characters of Naruto are all unique with thier own unique abilities, strengths and weaknesses. Anyone of them can pull out a win. In short, yes, to be a Sannin, you must be very powerful, but you can be equally or even more powerful, without being a Sannin. Defeating a small country... what is meant by that? Literally exterminating the populace and destroying everything that country ever built? That would depend on many factors. Does that country have its own defense force? A hidden village perhaps? If Orochimaru was acting alone, what abilities does he have at his disposal? If his subordinates were with him what could they do? If that country did have a hidden village, what is their strength? What are Orochimaru's weaknesses? What are the odds of thise weaknesses being exploited? There are other ways to defeat a country. He could destroy it politically by killing and taking the form of various people throughout the country, then manipulating the populace. He could invade and beat them until surrender. He could disrupt their economy. He's a crazed researcher, he could introduce a plague or better, some new animal that would destroy the country. He could create a virus that could destroy the plant life in that country. He could develop a technique that would destroy it at a geological level. He could just set loose his giant snakes.

I agree with excerci. Orochimaru is a jonin but far stronger than an average jonin. Even the third hokage admitted that no ninja in konoha village could equal him (not even the third). We also saw a group of sand ninja summoning giant snakes (the Kyodaija). These snakes were able to devastate konoha, the largest and possibly the most powerful shinobi village which was already in high alert and prepared for an attack. Even the band of chunin and ibiki could not do anything to stop that Kyodaija. It took the combined effort of Jiraiya (a sannin like orochimaru) and his giant snake-hunter toad to stop the Kyodaija. Without Jiraiya, the Kyodaija would have leveled konoha to the ground. Now imagine, what if Orochimaru summons manda (a summon snake far larger, smarter, and more powerful that the Kyodaija) upon a small country without a shinobi village and unprepared for an invasion. What can such a small country do to save itself?


 * This topic ended months ago. There's no need to revive it or use this talk page as a forum. Sephiroth BCR 01:48, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Trivia comparisons
Is the comparison to MJ and Voldemort really necessary?

I think it's fine. Is the comparison to his theme and Bach's Toccatta and Fugue in D minor neccessary?

The comparison is not necessary because Naruto was made in Japan! Japan!!! And MJ and Voldemort are from America. Some people imply that they're copying eachother (Voldemort and Orochi that is) but thats impossible! Comparisons not needed, they are just similar!!! No one else try and counter this because its useless! -Demyx111

Voldemort is british, you half-brained twit!

Where I certainly do not think Orochimaru was based off Voldemort, the fact that they were made in different countries does not even remotely make it impossible for them to copy each other, seeing as many series are released internationally. However, the ideas of having antagonistic characters resemble snakes in fiction and characters seeking immortality seem to predate both characters, and due to the lack of other similarities amoung thier characters, I would say it is highly unlikely that the characters copy each other. The Michael Jackson comparisons are completely ridiculous. As for Toccata and Fugue in D minor, bear in mind that a character from Salor Moon uses that exact peice as a personal theme, and the similarities between Orochimaru's theme and Bach's work seem too great to be coincidental.

True, true. I downloaded both songs and one part sounded the same between both of them. And maybe you're right, besides, Orochimaru came from Japanese legend and snakes have always been a symbol of immortality, so that doesn't mean Voldemort is who Orochi was based on. I noticed the similarity to MJ, but the fact that he wasn't guilty and doesn't control giant snakes makes it seem a little unlikely too. Hey, Why do you guys believe that it's just a coincidence with these people. but you dn't believe that it's a coincidence with disney's the lion king, and pirates of the caribbean and Osama Tezuki(Who's The Founder Of The Animation that Naruto is.)'s Kimba The White Lion, And Ron Gilbert's Monkey Island. Why do you believe that rowling didn't copy Nancy Stouffer's Larry Potter, and that naruto didn't copy harry potter (or Dragon Ball z.)butyou believe that disney copied kimba the white lion, and others. Why do you believe that scar, Davy jones And barbossa and others are copies of claw and others but not that orochimaru is a copy of voldemort. I'm Asking, why does naruto and harry potter get away with this and the disney films don't? (I'll sign up soon, so don't do anything. i promise.).
 * Voldemort and Orochimaru are pretty much stereotypical power-mad don't-wanna-die villains. JuJube 22:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * And both have serpent based powers, as the snake revolves around evil(western) and life(some eastern myths; the Oroboros). Fractyl 19:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

imortality
how does orochimaru plan on get'in imortality?--Geterdone 16:57, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not certain, but I am under the impression that he does so by transferring his mind from body to body at certain points in time.--66.24.224.205 20:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

he can transfer his soul into other people's bodies. man, you just can't keep that guy down.


 * His mind and sould are transferred into a new host body and for a short period of time he developes the new host bodie's facial features. Then he rips off the skin and gets back his old facial features. Orochimaru12 03:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Appearance
Is any explaination given for Orochimaru's inhuman appearance (slit pupils, pale skin, facial markings)in the manga? Also, when he transfers his soul into another host, does his new body develop these traits, and if so, how?--66.24.224.205 20:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

It does, when you see him bandaged in his new body the snake eyes are there, and the bandages might just cover up the transformation, he had already switched with 2 bodies and his face was the same. As for the explanation, it could be that his DNA is carried into the hosts and slowly changing it too match his appearance, or it could be that his spirit does this, which supports the theory of him having a biju, but thats not for certain. ReaperWarrior

There are operations that can change the appearance of a person's eye. He probably has his eyes made into a snake-like fashion at the same time he had that body stretchy jutsu thing done. As for pale skin, he could either be enemic or have bleached himself.


 * It is said that the eyes are the mirrors of the soul, so that would kinda explain how he appears to transfer his eyes from container to container. As for the rest of him, I'm pretty sure it's some kind of genetical trait, like Shodai's mokuton ninjutsu, or a unique character trait, like Kisame's shark-like appearence. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.208.27.19 (talk) 17:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC).


 * What's wrong with having a snake-like enemy? as for the pale skin, well. its probably just how he was born, but hey, he is a sannin. there are things that are unexplained, like jiraiya's facial markings, or tsunade's ability to enhance her strength by concentrating chakra into her hands. - Hyuuga-sama 21:52, 19 February 2007 (UTC)hyuuga-sama

I don't think the tsunade one is unexplainable. Anyways, need I remind you, this is anime and manga, never take appearances seriously. 69.153.171.230 18:03, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I am not suprized because he is famous for wearing the faces of other so he can just wear the face of his old body.

Orochimarus seald hands
I was wondering if orochimaru will ever get to use his hands again since the third seald them away.BLaCk 01:18, 12 August 2006


 * Yes. He swicthed bodies. Thus, he can use his hands. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * how can he switch bodies whithout hand seals? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Geterdone (talk • contribs).


 * It doesn't require hand seals. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:38, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Man you just cant keep that guy down..BLaCk 23:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Damn straight. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:50, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Wait. If the third sealed his arms, wouldnt that mean his soul's arms were sealed??? - Hyuuga-sama 21:49, 19 February 2007 (UTC)hyuuga-sama


 * No that was for that bodies arms. Since he is in the new body he gets a new set of arms. Hoshigaki Kisame 22:29, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Actually, he can't control his arms as well, as it seems when he reaches the dead line for switching bodies, his arms are fairly difficult for him to move. 69.153.171.230 18:00, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Which deadline are you talking about? The most recent one or the one while Sasuke is being captured by the Sound Four? Snake ninja

Orochimaru's gigantic snkaes
Those three giant snakes summoned to destroy Konoha... ... did they have three heads, or were they really three snakes? Also can all three be summoned again? – Dragonball1986


 * Three snakes and yes. Orochimaru does so twice. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 17:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It had three heads. Or else it wouldnt have been destroyed by Jiraiya's Destroying Food Cart Technique. If it were three snakes at least two of them would have slithered away. Orochimaru12 03:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Eight Tails
Don't you think that the host of the eight tails is Orochimaru? I mean come on, look at those devilish eyes. Even without Japanese sources, we will still know. Come on. Look at the pic! the eyes the snakes the talent.Dark Duelist 5000 22:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * He's not. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

It is pretty obvious I mean, snake eyes, snake techniques, snake-like personallity! Also, a reason that Manda only respects Orochimaru could be because of his demon, even though he said he'd eat him next time he summoned him, this could be merely the fact that Orochimaru is a mortal (...er..kinda) or that snakes don't have the same sense of honor. Orochimaru could be like Naruto, a demon sealed in him at birth, in flashbacks he has the snake eyes so it is quite possible, no one has those kinds of eyes for no reason. ReaperWarrior

That's for sure. It could be possible that he is the jinchurichi of the eight tails. Jirobo has inhuman strength. you think that he's also an owner?Dark Duelist 5000 20:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hell no. That guy died too easily. Orochimaru's not one, either. They would have sealed his biju long ago were that the case. You can be pretty much guaranteed that the remaining ones have yet to be seen. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Tell me then, how do you explain the snake-like eyes hm? ReaperWarrior


 * Let's see: experiments with snakes, snake jutsu, etc. What you keep forgetting is the glaring fact that biju must be sealed in a body. He's been through two already. He can't possibly have it. Additionally, if he had the eight tails, he'd be damn near invincible. A four-tailed Naruto wouldn't have overpowered him. Orochimaru is strong on his own, not because of a demon. Lastly, don't you think him being a host would have been mentioned at some point by one of the Sannin? They knew him for 20 years at least. They'd know if he had it. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 00:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean been thorugh two already. Also, maybe they didn't know. It's possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.252.63.136 (talk • contribs)


 * Orochimaru has switched bodies at least once (into Genyumaru), meaning that if he had a biju it would be left behind in the old body. And it's very unlikely that Orochimaru is able to hide the fact that he's a jinchuriki, given his infamy. --Pentasyllabic 14:58, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Where is it established in Naruto that someone cannot transfer both their own spirit and that of a biju's into another body? The idea doesn't sound like that much of a stretch to me to begin with, considering that most everything within the show itself isn't realistic, including most obviously the existence of biju at all. Also, it is possible that since he is in his fifties (IIRC), Orochimaru's chakra has already melded with a biju's to the point where they are practically one. That could make a biju transfer easier. That said, I'm guessing that he's not a jinchuriki... we've already seen many characters in Naruto with unusual and natural physical traits, most of which are not jinchuriki. Then again, he does have a huge amount of chakra that rivals Naruto's own and Kabuto spoke of them both as monsters... I guess we'll just have to see what becomes of him.

The fact that he has snake eyes can't be because of his experiments, he had snake eyes when he was a kid and I'm pretty sure he didn't start it there... ReaperWarrior


 * How do you know? Orochimaru's one screwed-up guy, and it's clear he was doing experiments for some time. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

He's not that screwed up, when they found Orochimaru doing the experiments he was like what? In his twenties. Orochimaru's good, but the ANBU guys are too, they would've found him out a long time ago. He was most likely still loyal to Konoha back then. ReaperWarrior


 * Are you going to keep pressing the issue until someone agrees that he's the jinchuriki of a biju that has never been acknowledged to exist in the series? Because if you are, let me remind you of something: Kisame was long thought by many (myself included) to be the jinchuriki of the three-tailed demon, an Isonade. The reasoning for this idea was because there was no other explanation for his shark-like appearance and his shark-related abilities. And you know what happened? Not only was he not a jinchuriki (or maybe he is, but it's still baseless speculation), but also the three-tailed demon turned out to be a Sanbi, and not an Isonade. So, in short, I'd stop speculating about Orochimaru being a jinchuriki based solely on his appearance, techniques, and a mythological creature that may be the cause of both, because that obviously proves nothing. Snapper2 02:56, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Orochimaru has killed hundreds (possibly thousands) of ninja in order to learn and gain such unimaginable power (human experiments, torturing, etc.). His deformation was likely formed out of killing many and wickedness, which made his dreadful appearance like that of the devil. If Oro had stayed in Akatsuki (which he had not intended to) he would have been assigned a bijū eventually. Remember that you are the host for the bijū, NOT him for you, therefore, if he swicthed with that Kushinada girl (based of Orochi Legend) when/if he was a jinchūriki, the bijū would have been lefted behind in the old body. Someguy0830, care to fix up this paragraph so others could interpret it better, or maybe you Snapper2 could do it. There, this is, alas, Orochimaru. Dragonball1986 11:40, 1st September 2006 (UTC)

It could just be that he has snake-like qualities. Look at Kisame, he's a giant walking shark. What's wrong with having someone who looks a little bit like a snake and NOT having them be a jinchuriki?

Do you have any idea how difficult it would be for Orochimaru to constantly unseal and seal the demon everytime he moved bodies? I mean..come on. Orochimaru looks like a snake because he was born that way. Like someone argued, Kisame looks like a fish man. It's the way he was born. Besides, don't you think Akatsuki would be more intense in their methods to kill him if he did have a bijuu? I mean, they just shrug him off and address killing him casually. - Guest.


 * This is sad- Have you guys forgotten that Orochimaru was once part of the Akatsuki? If he had a Tailed-Beast in him, they would know, and extract it. Then, he would be dead, all his bodies (in fact, he only had one at the time). He is not dead, so he doesn't have a demon. Besides, the demons only MINORLY effect the appearance- Naruto and Gaara were still human, whereas Orochimaru is just... Orochimaru. Yalens 18:22, 7 January 2007

Something else apparently forgotten is that anything weird in Naruto can be explained simply as a "bloodline limit".


 * I think Orochimaru has the eight tailed demon snake inside of his body. For one he has snake jutsu which would be the cause of this type of jutsu. Also this theory links in to why he left Akatsuki. I think that the rings on their fingers are bijuu trackers and Orochimaru holds the eight tails ring. So when they were going to search for the eight tails they would consult Orochimaru for his ring. So he had to have left or else they would have found out he had the bijuu inside of him and they would have extracted it and he would have died. So he had to leave or else he would have been killed. That is also why he kept his ring so they couldnt use it to track down the bijuu with him "housing" it if you would say. Orochimaru12 03:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

He left because he tried to take itatchi's body but got beat up. The snake jutsu doesn't mean anything because Anko and Sasuke can use them too and idont think there are 3 eight-tails running around. As for appearance, we have seen 3 people with demons: Naruto, Garaa, and the 2 tailed cat lady. Naruto doesn't look like a fox until he is posessed, garaa doesn't look like a racoon-dog util he is posessed, and the other girl doesn't look like a cat until she is posessed. Orochimaru was born with snake eyes just as Rock lee was born with bug eyes, sakura was born with pink hair, kurenai was born with red eyes, Jiraiya was born with white hair, Chouji was born fat, and Ino was born hot;). On top of that we have a fish man running around and a spiderman killed by Neji and both are not demons. So why cant we have a non-demon snake guy. Oro uses snake moves because he was inspired by the third when they saw the shedded skin of a white snake. The third made the mistake of telling him that it symbolized rebirth and that if he lived long enough, then oro could see his dean parents. So he became twisted in the head and tried to make sure that he would live to see his parents again. Trying to live forever so that you could see your dead parents sounded wimpy so he said that it was so that he could learn all of the jutsu in the world.In conclusion...HE HAS NO DEMON INSIDE OF HIM!!! so hopefully there are no more reasons for people to think that he has a demon because i just wasted 30 minutes of my life trying to clarify that when i could have been watching BLEACH(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleach_anime). Bleach is a much better show. More ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!! um... bye.


 * That makes sense, lord orochimaru. - Hyuuga-sama 22:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)hyuuga-sama


 * That sounds alot like what i said in the akatsuki pages lol im just kidding Orochimaru12 but that is my idea i dont mind you using it Hoshigaki Kisame 04:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

This, my friends, is what we call Original Research. You must remember that Wikipedia is not a forum. Discussions such as this may take place to your fanboi hearts content on a forum. But opinionated ideas and research with no backing are not allowed here. "I thinks" and your personal interpretation of facts are not allowed here. But by all means, you may continue to think that way or any other way you choose. Only confirmed facts from reliable sources are allowed, and who knows, perhaps Orochimaru is the keeper of the Eight-Tailed Demon. Perhaps not. All will be revealed in time, but until then, thread closed.

Well, the only way to find out is keeping up with the manga. But if Orochimaru really was the eight tails, then Atkatsuki is screwed! But until then we'll just have to be paitent, sadly.

Maybe OrochiMaru just has a potential blood-line? That'd make sense. Mister-V

CuteBlackBow 16:51, 28 May 2007 (UTC)CuteBlackBow

Oro vs. Third
when oro fought the third why where the ANBU watching instead of helping?


 * Because of the giant purple barrier of deady flame, maybe? – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 18:26, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Even ANBU are powerless at Orochimaru-sama's feat. Kabuto Yakushi (Talk)


 * if i were the ANBU and there was no barier would still try.--Kenshin -Himura 21:06, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

the barrier, watch naruto more.
 * The Barrier is specially designed for that purpose, to keep the ANBU out. Orochimaru12 03:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

The barrier which orochimaru's sound four created blocked the anbu from interfering the battle between the third and orochimaru. One anbu did try to slam through the barrier and he got incinerated. the rest of the anbu (the 3 remaining) decided to wait out because they know they will be incinerated to ashes as well should they try to attack the barrier.

Orochimaru shapeshifting?
If we're going to put him in that category, we might as well put everyone that knows the Transformation Jutsu there too, because they also "shapeshift" to an "extent". The only shapeshifting I've seen the guy do is wearing other's faces, which I don't think qualifies. Treima 01:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

orochimaru transformed into naruto when he tried to fool sasuke and sakura.(I dont even get why he wears people's faces.)


 * He doesn't, he mostly uses a form of disguise that uses skin to attach to his face. In fact, Orochimaru's wears a mask modeled after his original body, likely to fit his intent on being immortal. Fractyl 19:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Homosexuality
I heard arguments that Oro's sexuality is debatable. But if everyone sees him as homosexual, which I think is 90% of fans, then he must be. He talks about Sasuke beautiful appearance which Anko said gave him a charge. There are many other examples as well. I would like to discuss how he's an archetype for the "evil pedophile" and how the snakes and the weird tongue further this image. Like Haku he's a sexually ambiguous person. He even had a women's body. Bare in mind anime is notorious for playing with gender. Even Dynasmon and Crusadermon from the 4th season of digimon had a lot of innuendo between them, even though it was amde for kids. Do you guys think there should be a section for his sexuality outlining details of the argument? In the 21st century we don't have to be shy to include this topic. And if we do come to some consensus let's not have an edit war like the one people had for Haku's sexuality. Noman953


 * No way. Haku at least had some reasonable backing, but this is total bullshit(for a lack of a better term). There is abosultly nothing to base this off of. Nemu 03:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * ok, i know that haku's a homo, but come on! orochimaru? sure he was possesing a female body, but he probably couldnt find another host. i mean, every 3 years, he is forced into another body. kai hyuuga


 * Uh, sure, right...I'll be over here, weeping at the blatant OR-ness of your statement... Treima 00:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, Kai's right, plus he can alter his body-shape, and he spends alot of time in his original form, so he doesnt like his current body except that it has power. think about it more. haku is a homo, i know that, but oro is debatable. - Hyuuga-sama 22:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC)hyuuga-sama

Haku isn't gay. Maybe if you weren't so childish and instead understood his backstory, you'd know why he follows zabuza with such loyalty. I swear, children these days..


 * AmenQuietDrive627 01:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * One, no he not, anyway he dosn't care for sex, he too busy and stop acting like a kid, what the differece if he is or he's not?

No more speculation, please. See WP:V. –Gunslinger47 18:57, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Uh, excuse me how exactly is Orochimaru a pedophile Noman953? I find that suggestion quite disgusting. --Jupiter Optimus Maximus (talk) 16:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it's impossible to judge Orochimaru on his own merits or lack thereof as he's basically just a carbon copy of Lord Voldemort. --Jupiter Optimus Maximus (talk) 15:29, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Summoning tattoo on his left forearm
Kabuto applies his blood to this to summon the Kyodaijia then subsequently Manda to battle Jiraiya/Gamabunta and Tsunade/Katsuyu as at the time Orochimaru's arms were still sealed and he couldn't do it himself. Does anyone know if this tattoo is present on his current body (Gen'yumaru)? BrokenSphere 20:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Logic suggests he would duplicate it, but no, we don't know. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I find it odd that this feature of his is not mentioned in the article.  BrokenSphere 20:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm thinking of adding this line and image as the second sentence of the paragraph that starts with "Orochimaru's appearance..." The image is a bit large but shows the tattoo nicely.  Thoughts?  BrokenSphere 18:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Line cut per fair use guidelines and being stuck in article. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:32, 11 December 2006 (UTC)


 * There's just something about the location of the arm tattoo image that I don't like. Ideally the pic of Team Sarutobi should come first, but then I can't find a good place for the other pic. --Pentasyllabic 22:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * He does still have the tatoo on his arm. He wouldnt need to duplicate it. When he gets a new body he removes the facial features of the new body and gets his old body back which gives him back his tatoo. Orochimaru12 18:15, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

No he just can alter his body-shape.I know because I read the article, oro is my fave character, I do alot of research. - Hyuuga-sama 22:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)hyuuga-sama.

Hey, check out the new manga, we got a good shot of Orochimaru's bare arms, it seems he does infact have those tattoos on his new body 69.153.171.230 16:34, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
This page seems to be subject to several cases of vandalism. Is there a tag that can be placed to note that this page is often vandalized and should be watched carefully? – 68.209.169.2 22:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * No, we just deal with it as it comes. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

The Akatsuki page has a lock on it. Why should the Orochimaru page be vandalized?- 68.209


 * The locks are only for problematic pages. Vandalism here is tame. People just don't know how to stop on the Akatsuki page. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I just hope it doesn't get as bad over here as it did over there. (Does Wikipedia automatically back-up pages?)Larisha 00:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You can view every single edit made on every single page anywhere, so yes. – Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah...Topic closed, then. Larisha 00:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

forbidden

 * why is it forbidden to kill a sannin????? - Hyuuga-sama 21:53, 19 February 2007 (UTC)hyuuga-sama


 * Whoever said that? I don't think killing a Sannin would have any repercussions outside of what would happen if you killed a regular scrub, except you'd get worldwide renown for killing one of the strongest ninja in existence. Treima 01:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

in every fanfic that i read, it says its forbidden to kill sannin. even in some video-games I play, it hints that it is forbidden. - Hyuuga-sama 22:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)hyuuga-sama
 * I think the only persecution you would recieve from trying to kill a sannin would be getting killed by that sannin in return, due to their amazing power.QuietDrive627 01:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, don't even cite fanfic, just DON'T Plus videogames? Man you must be imagining something or mistranslating something69.153.171.230 16:32, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

as far as I know, i think that Tsunade and Jiraiya teamed up could kill orochimaru if they really wanted to. - Hyuuga-sama 05:33, 10 March 2007 (UTC)hyuga-sama
 * Already done. Granted, Jiraiya was poisoned and Tsunade was hemophobic, but those are just excuses! ^_^ JuJube 06:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Earth Clone Technique being a signature ability of his
Someguy0830 says that Earth Clone isn't notable enough to be a signature jutsu of his. I disagree. We had our little edit war over it earlier today. I mean, c'mon! Where is it said that we can't list signature abilities that appeared in the anime only? He used it three times, just as he used Hidden Shadow Snake a total of three times so far. Leech All Creation jutsu was used a total of three times also so far, the Summoning Technique: Snakes was used about three-five times so far (if you include the parts where Kabuto summoned the snakes for him) and others such as the Soft Physique Modification was used three times. And Someguy0830 says, "No, it was an anime move so it doesn't count!" Can someone help out here? I wanna solve this stupid dispute now... Power level (Dragon Ball) 01:47, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Can anyone help out here?! Power level (Dragon Ball) 07:11, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Patience is a virtue. Also, generally the manga is the canon, if something is anime-only then it doesn't really count. Retlor 21:41, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Says who? Power level (Dragon Ball) 08:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The anime is a derivative work, based on the manga by Kishimoto. Therefore if things are added in the anime they aren't canon until referenced in the manga. Look on Sasuke's page for example. Lion combo, which he has used ONCE, is a signature move. That is because it is in the manga. Peregrine falcon drop, which he has used TWICE, is not a signature move. That is because it was only used in the anime. The only exception I can think of is Hinata's 'protection of the eight-trigrams sixty four palms.' I don't think it should be an exception, but her gaining it was a key event in the anime, and only she knows it. Earth clone, meanwhile is a throwaway jutsu probably known by most of Iwagakure. Including it would be like including subsitution jutsu under Sakura's page because she used it three times. Retlor 11:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * GOD IN HEAVEN!!! Don't dicuss canonicity on Wikipedia. There are way too many disputes about what is canon and isn't. I understand what you're tryin' to say, Hinata Hyuga shouldn't have the anime moves either then if Orochimaru can't have his, which he used at least three to four times. I'll remove the filler techniques then from Hinata. Power level (Dragon Ball) 19:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * And I'll revert you. Retlor made his argment clear, and more eloquently than I could have hoped. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 19:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Chillax. No need to jump the gun while there's a relevant discussion taking place. - Ojaxis 03:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Well i think any move, anime or manga, should be put under signature jutsu, including Orochimarus Earth Clone technique like Power level said. even though these moves arent in the original manga, i dont think Kishimoto would even let them put that move in the anime if he didnt want it there,(and yes, Kishimoto does have a say in the anime)therefore moves in the anime are also approved by Kishimoto so they should be allowed to be put under signature techniques, manga or anime. I really dont understand some peoples policy with anime moves being canon. Im with Power level.QuietDrive627 00:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It has nothing to do with canon. The question is whether or not a jutsu is unique and/or used often enough to warrant listing. Earth Clone is not unique as it is is simply one of the many clone jutsu used to make the series seem more diverse. And given that it's an anime jutsu, I'd imagine it's not used very often, so Earth Clone doesn't meet either criteria. And before someone jumps the gun and starts removing most of the jutsu from, say, Zabuza's article, the number of times a jutsu is used really only applies to characters whose jutsu arsenal reaches the 'teens, such as Orochimaru. ~SnapperTo 00:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok i guess i see what your saying, but personally i still dont like the setting of just listing signature jutsu. i like the old ways better when they listed all of the ninja's jutsu. it was much more informative to me.QuietDrive627 01:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Orochimarus Techniques
There used to be sooooo many techniques of Orochimarus posted on the page! What happened to them! I mean, he did have and used all of the techniques, did he not, sooo why take it off? i know its only signature techniques, but the impure world ressurection technique is on there and he only uses it once so there is my point. please discuss so i can be proven right or wrong.QuietDrive627 21:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by QuietDrive627 (talk • contribs) 21:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC).
 * I think your totally right. I agree completely. What happened? There were so many! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Orochimaru12 (talk • contribs) 01:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
 * I think that if Impure World Resurrection jutsu should be listed, then the Earth Clone Technique should be listed as well, at least for now until the anime covers more of the new manga. Who agrees with me that all of the techniques that a character has used in Naruto (except for the fundamental ones like Clone Jutsu, Replacement Jutsu, etc.,) should be re-added back in their main articles? Power level (Dragon Ball) 04:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I completely agree. im with you all the way.QuietDrive627 20:29, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

i think that the Impure World Resurrection should be added since oro was the only person to use it. but alot of people used the earth clone. also the Impure World Resurrection was used to kill saritobi so shouldnt that make it notworthy enough to be added??--Had24get2ice 17:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

oruchs true form capt 344 spoilers
major spoilers

oruchimaru is really a huge demon snake see pichture here

http://www.hebergement-images.com/02/1172589282_vip187953.jpg

translation found here

http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=187867 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.176.173.43 (talk) 01:21, 28 February 2007 (UTC).


 * I dont believe it. maybe it was just a transformation jutsu he was using to test sasuke. though in manga issue 6, he refers to himself as "Orochimaru, the giant snake", so it could be possible.QuietDrive627 01:35, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

ya but read the translation it says this snake thing flew out of his courps and sasuke said so this is your true form 24.176.173.43 02:11, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

oooo ok. its still hard to believe that is what orochimaru actually is.QuietDrive627 23:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Ya. Orochi is a human just like the rest of us. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.229.190.227 (talk) 21:13, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

He is human, but a very malformed, vandalized one. That snake is indeed his true form69.153.171.230 20:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Missing Technique?
Diden't Oroci try to use Earth Release: Inner Decapitation Technique on Saskue in the Chunin exam?Jacce 15:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * i dont recall orochimaru using that technique during his fight with sasuke in the forest of death. did u see the fight in the anime because most of the anime fight isnt in the original manga anyway.QuietDrive627 23:28, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Body transfer Jutsu
How exactly does Orochimaru do the Body Transfer Jutsu? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.123.61.122 (talk) 21:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC).


 * He does it by first finding a host, then transffering his mind and soul into the hosts live body. The victim of the jutsu is presumed dead. He then usually morphs his apperance to resemble his original one using some unidentified technique. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by QuietDrive627 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC).

Yeah, but how does he transfer his mind and soul into it?


 * It's a manga series meaning you're not supposed to know every thing and how it relates to physics because there is no way you can transfer your soul into another organism. Sam ov the blue sand 02:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

What I mean is, I've heard somewhere that he opens up the body and inserts himself into it, then sews the body closed so he can take over. Then he puts bandages on it and he can take his face off to reveal his real face.


 * Okay whoever you heard that from must really not know the Naruto world at allQuietDrive627 20:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

He turns into that snake monster thing to transfer his soul. He tried it on sasuke in the manga and he did it to Gen'yumaru in the anime.

Why no true form pic?
I hope you know what my question is. Sam ov the blue sand 02:58, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Because 344 only became widely available a few hours ago. Someone will upload one eventually. ~SnapperTo 03:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, within a week at most. 81.224.28.146 03:02, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * All I have to say is HOLY -! That..thing...is Orochimaru!?

Anyway. Narutofan.com has the manga scans, not sure if they'd want us to use them or not. I've got it on my photobucket now, but it's non-cropped or anything, so it's huge..

We also gained some insight on his parents- They're dead.

Edit: Oh, well, someone got it already. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.209.169.2 (talk) 04:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

Chakra Blade
First, why is Sasuke's weapon being argued about on Orochimaru's article? Second, how is this supposed to pass as fire? ~SnapperTo 06:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The obvious is clearly passing by this IP, who I've already noted to be a user unwilling to log in. if it looks like lightning and sounds like lightning, it's lightning. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 06:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

You people are being too sterotypic, to you guys lightning charkra will definity look like real lightning. Remember naruto's and shikamaru's elemental charkra, it didnt look like any elements i know, they look like blobs.


 * What else would wind and shadows look like if not blobs? And are we to not expect lightning to look like lightning? Should we assume instead that it's something else, like a salmon? He's got a sword made of salmon perhaps? ~SnapperTo 07:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Shadows aren't an element, either. I would hope that would be obvious.
 * See this.
 * Compare that to Snapper's pic. Lightning is lightning. It doesn't become something else magically. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Like I said before, sasuke might not even have put in elemental charkra in the blade. Also if you really want to say lightning charkra looks like lightning, fine, come to think of it the charkra in the yellow box looks like the flame of a fire......hey that could mean something.


 * Yeah I know. It could mean it's a salmon. And if it wasn't elemental chakra, what was it? I'm inclined to say salmon, but I'm open to opinions. ~SnapperTo 07:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You don't know what fire looks like. This is fire. This is not. Orochimaru notes that it's Sasuke's chakra and that the shape is unfamiliar. Sasuke was using lightning chakra. You can tell this from his hand, from the sound effects in the text, and the fact the fire burns people. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:31, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Fine, i admit it cant be fire now, but sasuke could have learn how to use other types of charkra during his time with oro. Kabuto could of gave sasuke medicine that gives him more chakra types.


 * So, let me get this straight. You now know it's not fire, you know for a fact it doesn't look like wind, and we've shown you several times that it looks exactly like lighting, and yet you still persist in your ignorance? Stop it. It sure as hell isn't water, because water doesn't travel up. Furthermore, water looks like water. We know it's not earth, because earth does not earth doesn't crackle. It also doesn't travel up. Furthermore, you can't see through it. How much more simple must this be made. It's the principle of least astonishment. If it looks like lightning, sounds like lightning, and acts like lightning, then people will expect it to be lightning. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:47, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Wait, YOU have the power to listen to drawings, i mean u must have it since u keep saying it sounds like lightning. AND we didnt see anything about how it acts like lightning.


 * One, like I've told you before, the little kanji by the blade in certain scenes is the sound of lightning. Two, yes we did see it act like lightning. Snapper's pic and my pic show this very clearly. you're trying to make excuses to justify your position. The facts speak for themselves. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 08:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

So what u are telling me is that you have heard of REAL lighning, now i dont know about u but when i hear lightning it is just a BOOM.


 * Thunder goes boom, not lightning. And manga can make up all sorts of sound effects (seal spreading, size increasing, heart throbbing, etc.) ~SnapperTo 08:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * What Snapper said. If you've ever been close to electricity in general, you'd know that it cackles. The boom from lightning, called thunder, is caused by its impact. Also, like Snapper said, manga uses sound effects all the time. No different here. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 08:15, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * This dude is more persistent than me when I first started Wiki. Anyways I've had Lightning hit a tree in my front yard and I was watching it while it happened it did sound like a crackling sound, kinda like pop rocks. Sam ov the blue sand 17:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

"Backstory"
This is very important because in this manga when ever they go over some bad guy's origin backstory... Well they just seem to die soon. Like always.

"Cannot be reproduced in English"?

 * The hell? Didn't Frieza do that?  This should be taken out as it's a pretty POV statement. JuJube 03:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe it means that the Japanese is female in tone. Since I don't know Japanese, I'm not sure how that would work, but it could probably use a rephrasing. ~SnapperTo 03:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

There is a male way to speak Japanesse and a female way. It is not just subejective stlye but real rules. For example males can say Bokuno or watashi when they mean I. Females can only say watashi. This bad guy speaks like a female and always says watashi. There are many more examples. The female way of speaking is more polite (and longer) than the male way. The difference gets smaller when speaking in a formal tone. (MJW)
 * I already know that. My issue is with the whole "cannot be reproduced" nonsense.  As I said, it's been done before (albeit not well), and to say that Orochimaru's English voice is "masculine and quiet" because it can't be reproduced is OR. JuJube 04:27, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

The Frieza thing was so bad that it failed to be reproduced. He just came off as gay; not sinister. I'm afaird that is unaviodable.(MJW)


 * Girls don't have a special way of saying "I" in English, do they? The general goal of the paragraph is to communicate that point. ~SnapperTo 04:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)]

No, And The like frieza thing has to be put back, why was it taken out?

To explain, in comparing him to Freezia, Orochimaru was a total opposite in terms of VA genders: Voiced by a guy in the US and a woman in Japan. Frezia was voiced by a guy in Japan, with a woman providing the US voice. The style of speaking in that female tone of sinister evil is unable to be reproduced in the english version of the anime that style of sinster evil is a very hard thing to do in englishFractyl 21:37, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, a few things that I'm not clear on that need explaining: 1. "watashi" is not unique to women, men use it too (among other people, L (Death Note) uses it), and 2. comparing Orochimaru to Freeza in the article itself without any citations would still constitute original research. JuJube 04:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


 * "Atashi" is the feminine form of "watashi", as it's softer-sounding. Orochimaru also uses the formal "anata" (you), and there are probably further examples that I don't pick up on or don't remember. I should probably add that it's been a while since Orochimaru appeared, so I'm not 100% certain on the above. --Pentasyllabic 04:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

True Form?
Ok im really confused about orochimarus true form. How is that possible? was he born like that? is he even human? can someone please explain it to me.24.185.163.37 16:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think he has a true form anymore beacause he no longer has his first body. I think a better word is (strongest form). (MJW)

sasuke said ah you wanted to get strounger so badley that you experemented on your own body he probley just fused himself with snakes and using evil jutses 24.176.173.43 23:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * So was he once human? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.229.191.54 (talk) 11:13, 8 March 2007 (UTC).


 * The snake form he now has might be a fusion of his chakra with that of a snake biju, similar to what would happen to Naruto if he fused with the fox biju. --141.213.198.142 00:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

wait..so he is dead know?


 * Orochimaru has no biju and he experimented on his own body to transfer his soal to another body so please do not post nonsense here when you could figure out the stuff your self. Sam ov the blue sand 00:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Ditto. We'll have to wait to see who won the battle. I hope Sasuke won, even though I don't really like him.


 * I really don't want to put that ugly little 'deceased' tag in Orochimaru's profile. But no, he's not dead yet.

Added: But if Sasuke does die, I want to be the one to put up the deceased tag.Larisha —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.209.169.2 (talk) 22:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC).


 * Hm... I was under the assumption that his snake form was just how he initiates his body transfer. IIRC, he also assumed a snake form when he took over his previous host, albeit it looked like a standard-colored, solid snake (mind the pun) than one composed of numerous white snakes. You Can&#39;t See Me! 04:51, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I was under the impression that Orochimaru transfered his mind/soul from body to body, and that his original body was long gone. However, if the white snake is in fact his original body, then why does he perform the 'Leech all Creation' jutsu anyway, seeing as he does not gain a new 'body' per say, merely a new host to conseal himself in. Could someone attempt a definitive answer? 66.24.231.196 02:46, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The white snake form is not at all his original form, it is the result of experimentation upon his body. That's why when we saw Orochimaru's mind goo he looked like himself, not a white snake. For all we know, that experimentation could have been done as recently as after the fight with Four-Tailed Naruto. As for your question, we will have to wait for more information before a definitive attempt to answer can be made, but I will say this: from what I can infer from the jutsu's physical initiation and aftereffects, it seems like Oro eats the jutsu's victim, transfers his soul to the victim within his belly, and then molts away his skin, from which the Orochimaru-possessed victim steps out. I could be completely wrong, and I am almost certainly not completely right, but that would be my inference. The "Leech All Creation" jutsu might not even be a true jutsu, just a name given to the act of that aforementioned "transaction" of souls. Treima 03:12, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Just to correct a mistake I made earlier, his soul transfer is called "living corpse reincarnation", not "Leech all Creation". That was the technique the revived the First and Second Hokages.66.24.231.196 22:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually the technique that revived them was summoning:impure world ressurection, just for the record.QuietDrive627 22:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Orochimaru goof
When oro was fighting the third hokage he said that that was his second body, but now in chapter 345 we see that there was 4 bodies in that weird place where the used bodies are. I thought sasuke was going to be his fourth body, but i guess not.
 * No, it might be accurate. It depends on your interpretation of "second body." What I'd assume is that he meant that was the second body he transferred into. Thus...


 * 1) Original Body
 * 2) First Transfer
 * 3) Second Transfer (the female form that fought the Hokage)
 * 4) Third Transfer (Gen'yumaru) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by You Can't See Me! (talk • contribs) 06:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC).
 * It seems unlikely that his soul/body/thing would be kept within his own subconscious. ~SnapperTo 22:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Status
What is his status? Is he alive or dead? Sasuke's comment was a little cryptic.Retlor 23:46, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I think his status should be consider dead. When Sasuke said he'd taken over, I'm certain he meant that he defeated Oro in the jutsu and assimilated oro into himself, taking all that he was and assuming control of his empire. Not sure though. Speculation until confirmed. Xeago 01:45, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that, personally, it's an Sakoro situation and that the two are now sorta...dual-personalities of each other, with Sasuke as the face personality and Orochimaru as the hidden personality. 'I've taken over' is a bit too...cryptic to be taken as 'He's dead.' Sasuke isn't really the type to beat around the bush when it comes to death, is he?
 * wails* I'm not putting up that tag! Put it up yourself.

Plus Kabuto whispered: 'Wait...It's like...' and then Sasuke says, 'I've taken over.'

I wouldn't add that deceased tag yet...but possibly put 'In hibernation' or 'Status unknown'?Larisha
 * Better yet, no tag at all. // Decaimiento Poético  02:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

There's never been a death by Sharingan before, so I think it's safe to say Orochimaru is imprisoned, but still inhabits Sasuke's body. At least he got what he wanted. :p 09bmarcu 05:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I doubt they would've said "Orochimaru-sama is dead... no wait ... he's been taken over" if he was done for. As his exact situation is unknown, I'd say that's what should be put under his current status (unknown). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.37.42.16 (talk) 17:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

i think orochimaru got wat he wanted also i think sasuke has a split personality now oro-sasuke and oros goina slowly eat away sasukes mind until he has complete control then he will let sasuke dispose of itachi 4 him then he will take over sasukes body

yeah, I wonder if oro could force sasuke out of his own body. huh. its either that or oro is imprisoned in sasuke's mind and sasuke can control it like a tsukuyomi. I think its safe to say that oro has some pain following.


 * This might get interesting. Sasuke might start talking to himself like Gollum! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.229.191.54 (talk) 10:15, 26 March 2007 (UTC).

i have an even more out-of-whack idea.... what if the orochimaru that we know was actually a shadow clone created by the real orochimaru and while the real orocimaru went into hibernation, the clone used the soul transfer jutsu and gained an actual body... and the real orocimaru is out there and stronger - hey you never know.... its an anime... anything can happenPunker9000 02:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Except that has absolutely no logical basis in terms of transcendant logic or canon-universal physics. Let's not go with that. You Can&#39;t See Me! 06:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * And why doesnt it make sense - shadow clones are able to perform jutsus of their own so orochimaru's shadow clone could have very well used the soul transfer jutsu on a person therefor giving them an actual body to live on74.73.103.13 02:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Can we just say A wizard did it and move on? JuJube 02:34, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I am really tempted to pursue the matter, but this is not a forum.  You Can't See Me!  02:37, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Anyone here watched Yu Yu Hakusho? It'll probably be just like the thing with Gourmet and Elder Toguro in the Chapter Black season. It would even go with what Sasuke said about Orochimaru being "taken over" if he was referring to his powers, as Gourmet also "takes over" the powers of the people he eats. Orochimaru could also be waiting inside Sasuke for the right moment to take over his body, as Elder Toguro waited to take over Gourmet. Link&#39;s Awakening 21:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Orochimaru was the primary antagonist for the entire first story, his backstory is virtually unrivalled by any other villain in the series, save perhaps Itachi, and his history is so intertwined with the main characters and their world, it's hard to believe that Kishimoto Musashi would kill him off so early into the second story and with such little involvement. I'm going to say his status is as yet Unknown and should be left there until further information is acquired on him. Lyinginbedmon 23:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I say he's dead. His body's been destroyed and he has absolutely no ability to affect anything happening in the world. It might be accurate to say that his soul has been trapped, but he's still dead. It's something of a parallel with the way the 3rd died - the soul was pulled from the body and sealed in something (in the 3rd's case, the Death God, in Oro's, the transfer dimension). Besides, Occam's Razor applies here - the simplest explanation is that he's dead, and there's no need to speculate otherwise until there's some indication in the manga that he's not. So, having said that, I'm adding the (deceased) tag into his profile. 121.44.205.20 12:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * No, you're not. JuJube 17:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Gah! If you're going to revert my edit, then at least explain your reasoning. All indications given in the manga are that Orochimaru is dead. I'm not going to get into an edit war over this, but you could at least be reasonable enough to explain your logic. 121.44.205.20 03:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Consensus is it's not certain. See the edit summary where your change was reverted.  Plus, it's original research to state a conclusion here. JuJube 04:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I suppose you're right about it being somewhat OR, but I still think that, given the information we have, Orochimaru being dead is the correct conclusion to draw - his NOT being dead, in my opinion, is OR. Still, I'll concede your point on this. 121.44.205.20 14:06, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

i belive that the status should be shown like that of the nine tailed deamons. he is neather dead nor is he able to affect the world around him so far. so he may just be entrapt without a seal, sorta like the nine tailed fox deamon. also where is the evedence to suggest that the shadow clones(or any clones for that matter) are made up of anything more than the chakra and possibly elements of the person.--Had24get2ice 17:55, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Could Orochimaru have taken over Sasuke and simply claimed to be Sasuke taking over Orochimaru? - R.G. 05:38, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Revert
I undid the following line: "Because of the way he speaks and his obsession with Sasuke, many fans have joked/speculated that Orochimaru is gay."

It served no real purpose. Just because SOME people twist the evidence doesn't mean we shout report every crackpot theory. There is no canonical evidence for this whatsoever. Retlor 20:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The author might be gay or bisexual. So of course he'll make his characters gay.--141.213.198.142 06:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

 You Can't See Me!  06:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Kishimoto is not officially homosexual or bisexual.
 * 2) Gay characters do not have to come from gay writers.
 * 3) Gay writers do not always make gay characters.

ok, orochimaru is  NOT  gay. it might just be a side-effect of the female body. you know how every girl is obsessed with sasuke, and the body's original owner's will and conciousness remains in the body, the female's peronality might of been entertwined with orochimaru's. *gasps for breath.* that was a mouthful. - Hyuuga-sama 00:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC)hyuuga-sama

Affiliation
Under current affiliation shouldnt we put "Sasuke Uchiha's body" or something like that?24.185.163.37 20:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * O.o
 * Uh, no we shouldn't... Does someone need to brush up on their definition of affiliation?  You Can't See Me!  01:17, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

maybe we should put 'inhabiting sasuke's body without control' in his status.
 * His condition does not matter; just Alive or Dead. He's alive, thus he is not marked as dead.  You Can't See Me!  01:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, we don't really know if he's alive or dead, do we? It's kind of vague as of now. What if we put "Status unknown" or something until it becomes more clear? --Cronodude360 14:53, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

You know the saying 'Innocent until proved guilty'? The same thing sort of applies here, except its 'Alive until proved dead.' Larisha

Do we have any evidence that proves him alive? Nope. We don't have any that proves him dead either. We just don't know. I second the movement for putting his status as unknown. Though Jiraiya appears to have confirmed his death and the news is spreading in the latest manga chapters. 72.234.47.244 10:52, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

orochimaru's past on the manga
we could see in the manga his past, that his parents died and the third telling him that one day, he'll see them again, so that is the reason that he learned a jutsu that revive people. i think that this is an important fact, don't you think? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.132.13.159 (talk) 20:43, 1 April 2007 (UTC).


 * That his parents died is already included. That their deaths is his reason for wanting immortality/reviving people is speculation. ~SnapperTo 20:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

isn't he dead?
didn't sasuke killed him already in the latest manga chapter?
 * I don't think he's any more dead than English grammar at this point. In any case, see above discussions.  You Can't See Me!  08:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I totally thought Sasuke killed him and I didn't see any foreshadowing or anything in the following frames either except maybe just MAYBE he was taken over by Orochimaru. Plus the tone of Sasuke voice later on sounds like Sasuke'sSigon 08:40, 11 April 2007

LOLLink&#39;s Awakening 21:16, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I think he's dead, he may be revived at some point, but right now he has no body, and his mind is nowhere to be found, maybe his mind is lost or gone in that dimension Sasuke took over, but i think its inaccurate to claim that he is still alive and well though,considering all the characters in the manga also believe that he is dead, his status should be changed to something like presumably deceased, and if he comes back to life in another chapter, then change his status.Wraith12 07:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)Wraith12


 * All speculation. Sasuke is the one with the ultimate answer, and his statement was filled with ambiguity. Until there is a complete confirmation, he's not not dead, and the article will reflect that. Sephiroth BCR 07:23, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * When Orochimaru took Genyumaru's body, he told him that some part of him would remain alive within Orochimaru. If it is the case that Orochimaru is in Sasuke's body, but not in control, then it stands to reason that he is alive, at least in a certain sense.Retlor 22:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Orochimaru might not be dead, in fact he might come back since sasuke just suspressed him with his will. So don't be surprised if he makes a surprise come back and takes over Sasuke's body. For now he's presumed K.I.A.Saad64 10:12, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

In the most recent chapter, I believe we have further proof Orochimaru is dead. Look at the upper-right corner of the page. http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k66/Closer-FurtherAway/003.png 160.39.30.190 22:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * And how does Sasuke telling Juugo that Orochimaru is dead constitute proof? JuJube 23:37, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, fair enough. Further evidence he is dead then. And, of course, until we know for sure it doesn't warrant a place in the article. 160.39.30.190 01:14, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Sasuke himself stated he's dead, and as said earlier, "Sasuke is the one with the ultimate answer". This is directly stating that he is dead, by the one who killed him. Proof enough?

Semi-protection?
Due to all of the anons adding (deceased) after Orochimaru's age and the recent surge of gay jokes, does anybody feel the page ought to be sprotected?  You Can't See Me!  17:22, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

yes i agree that it needs to be atlest semi-protected. when i looked at his page some halfwit put his name as michle jakson. this is not even close to funny and i do wish these people would just stop doing these things.--Had24get2ice 18:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC) Orochimaru is not dead he lives in kabuto

stupid edit
ok someone added this stupid, untrue, and imature edit to the end of the article which i am taking out--"As you all well know, Orochimaru died on the toilet, from a serious bout of constipation." as for the person who did this, i and i assume most others would appreciate it if you stopped making stupid edits such as this.24.185.163.37 00:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 'Tis called vandalism. It's done by anons. They don't read comments nor Talk page discussions. Thus, your complaints go to waste. Quit complaining and do something about it.  You Can't See Me!  08:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


 * fyi i did do something about it. i took it out and i was just posting this for veiwers of the article to be aware i was taking it out so no need to act so abrasively.24.185.163.37 01:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * You don't need to tell us. Just take it out. We don't want the vandalism either. If you see it, just get rid of it. We'll be happy. 24.229.191.54 10:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Newbie question
I always wondered why orochimaru didnt possess Hidan's body. I mean, Hidan is immortal, so he would have all the time of the world to learn every technique...
 * Talk pages are for discussing changes to the article. Since this discussion won't help the article, I suggest we stop. // Decaimiento Poético  14:08, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Im sorry if you find these posts annoying. Im not very used to writing in Wikipedia, so maybe you are right and discussions should be only focused towards articles. But i think some arguing wont hurt anybody. Also, reading the previous discussion of whether Orochimaru is the 8th tailed demon host or not, i think it is very possible. In japanese folk tales, the 8th tailed demon (Yamata no Orochi) swallows the Kusanagi sword in a battle vs the Kusanagi clan. I know, pure guess.

Orochimaru: Dead? Presumed Dead? No Change?
Alright, here are the facts (as translated by various scanlation groups, which is, of course, a matter of interpretation):


 * Sasuke originally confirmed to Kabuto that "I've taken over". There's also the event that happened in Orochimaru's pocket dimension, which seems to confirm that Sasuke took over in the same sense that Orochimaru used to take over his hosts.
 * Sasuke later clarified this statement by telling Jugo that Orochimaru was dead. There is no reason to believe that Sasuke was lying about this, as he certainly attacked Orochimaru with the intent to kill.
 * Orochimaru is presumed dead by most of the Ninja world.

Now, based on these things, is there any reason NOT to clarify the infobox with (Deceased), or perhaps (Presumed Deceased)? Cheers, Lankybugger ○ Yell ○ 17:41, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Sasuke tells Jugo that Orochimaru "has crumbled" in my copy of 352. As far as I see it, Sasuke, the only one who would know, has yet to suggest Orochimaru is dead. ~SnapperTo 21:26, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Out of curiousity, which translation group do you use? Page three of my translation reads as follows:

Sasuke: Orochimaru is dead, and this place if falling apart. You'll go down with it if you stay here any longer. Jugo: Good. That means I won't kill anyone else. Sasuke: Relax... I'll act as your "prison". If you try anything, I'll stop you. Jugo: ... Jugo: What do you think you can do? The only one who could calm my influences...


 * How's yours read? Cheers, Lankybugger ○ Yell ○ 03:41, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Just a minor comment. Mine is:

Sasuke: Orochimaru has crumbled, and so will this base. If you stay here, it will be the end of you. Jugo: I don't care. I don't ever want to kill another person ever again! Sasuke: ...Calm down...I'll be your prison so to speak. I can stop you. Jugo: ... Jugo: What the hell can you do? The only person who can stop me...


 * or there to be more exact. Sephiroth BCR 03:49, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, that tosses the whole thing into the air again, doesn't it? Ah well. I was taking the translation with a grain of salt, anyway. Cheers, Lankybugger ○ Yell ○ 13:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

1. "Presumed" Deceased is already unencyclopedic phrasing; 2. he's a shounen villain, so he is pretty much guaranteed to revive somehow; 3. Orochimaru has already shown himself to be adept at fooling other people into thinking he's someone else (even the Hokage thought he was the Kazekage). All these add up to one inexorable conclusion - it is premature to say Orochimaru is dead. JuJube 14:55, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Seems like OR to me. Either way you look at it as of now Oro is 'deceased' or at least incapacitated. If he comes back simply change the status. This is like saying Zabuza isn't deceased because he's a shonen villian then re-declaring him alive.129.2.239.251


 * IMHO "presumed deceased" is a good way to describe his status. Everyone in the series, even Akatsuki, thinks he's dead, but we haven't seen the body yet. --Pentasyllabic 21:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe that it has been stated enough that he is dead. There are good arguments both ways, and in the end I don't mind what goes in the box, but I do think he should be listed as deceased.Retlor 01:25, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * With the amount of characters that consider him dead at this point, "presumed deceased" seems acceptable. Edits are cheap: if we're wrong, we can always change it later. Sephiroth BCR 01:33, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I know we're not big here on straw polls, but I'll throw my weight behind the "presumed dead" entry, if only to satisfy the anons here. So far, we've had Konoha, Akatsuki, and members of Snake say he's dead, IIRC. That should be good enough for a "presumed deceased". -- Ghost Stalker (Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 04:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

he's dead if every one in the narutoverse has been saying he's dead HE'S DEAD!
 * Except the one single person who knows for sure, Sasuke, is less than willing to say that he is dead for sure.Retlor 05:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

sasuke actually said that oro was dead he told juugo that he is dead


 * But of course Sasuke would say that Orochi was dead to make himself look good! But he told Kabuto he had just taken over. And evil dudes never die in such pitiful ways. They would drag it out for chapters and chapters. 24.229.191.54 10:16, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


 * A more accurate translation of that chapter says 'Orochimaru has crumbled.' He isn't necessarily dead. At the moment, I think that 'presumed deceased' is a good label.Retlor 20:34, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

well at least change the articale it gives people the idea that orochimaru succesfully transferred bodies but sasuke has control of his body we know orochimaru is apparently dead he's trapped in his transfer dimension which since his body is dead he is stuck there but they might have him come back later and hen like sasuke kills him or he's dead now


 * As far as I'm aware that is exactly what happened. Orochimaru is in Sasuke's body, he's jusr dormant. Unless I'm reading it wrong? Retlor 08:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

so if he is just dormant,he could end up taking control from sasuke,but who knows Allen Walker 01:10, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Its been weeks and we still haven't given this up! I feel that the lot of you are just making up excuses and exploiting every loophole to prevent Orochimaru's death on Wikipedia. Its time you saw whats really going on, Orochimaru is not dead because YOU DON'T WANT HIM TO BE. Everyone in the Naruto world has accepted this fact, and now you should too. Orochimaru is dead, and thats that.


 * Look at it this way. There was only one witness to the event that came back conscious: Sasuke himself. Nobody in the Narutoverse knows definitively other than Sasuke (and Orochimaru if he is still alive), and Sasuke suspiciously dodged Kabuto's question, throwing out an extremely vague response. In fact, he almost denies killing Orochimaru: Kabuto asks if Orochimaru is dead, to which Sasuke cryptically states that he had "merely taken over." It does not matter what Kabuto thinks, what Jiraiya thinks, or what the Akatsuki Leader thinks. Sasuke's comment is the only confirmation we can get about Orochimaru's status, and he so carefully avoided proclaiming Orochimaru dead.  You Can '  t See Me!  10:45, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

As of #356, it's confirmed: Orochimaru is still alive, using Kabuto as a shell. --Juigi Kario (Charge! * My crusades) 10:02, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I dont think that's correct. If it is, then change the plot of Shippuden page to reflect this. But if that page is correct, then this is merely your interpretation of the events by you. While the interpretaion on the page seems to say that Kabuto is very much his own person, he has his own goals, and is finding his own purpose in life, probably one that dosent involve being Orochimaru's bitch. He merely absorbed Orochimaru's remains into himself in hopes of getting more powerful, or perhaps as a tribute to his old master. 72.234.46.143 12:02, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

He's definetly dead at the moment. Eventaully however he'll probably come back. For example, maybe his soul is trapped in the transfer dimension of his, like someone said above. Everyone knows that eventually Kabuto's body WILL be taken over. It's pretty obvious that it's just something to make the story more interesting. Anyways, after Orochimaru's remains have taken over, his soul could somehow return to this new body of his, and thus he'd be alive once again! After that he would probably continue his goals of imortality all over. In fact, I wouldn't be suprised if somehow Orochimaru ends up taking over Itachi's body at some point and goes after Sasuke for revenge later on in the story. Link&#39;s Awakening 01:46, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Judging from the fact that Kabuto just absorbed Orochimaru's corpse, as his soul is apperently sealed inside of Sasuke, I wouldn't be so sure about Kabuto being taken over. Judging from what Kabuto himself said, it seems like his connection with Orochimaru is very similar to Naruto's connection with the Nine-tailed fox, in that both he and Naruto hold a foreign entity in their body requiring considerable strength of will to control. However, it still seems unlikely that Orochimaru will take control over Kabuto, moreso it seems likely that Kabuto may have difficulty controlling whatever it was he gained by fusing with Oro's corpse, most likely an increase in chakra. What does seem likely is a possibility of him entering a state similar to Jugo where he becomes compulsively violent and has trouble controlling his behavior, although this last possibility is speculation, and should be treated as such. As for the status of Orochimaru being alive or dead, it appears that as of now, he is in exactly the same state as Genyumaru who, while still present in the world by being bound to Orochimaru's subconscious (now Sasuke's), is listed as deceased. Therefore, it seems as though he ought to be listed as such for the time being, and if he does return to the plot, this label could be changed.24.24.81.186 02:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * As for the above comment about Oro taking over Itachi, that seems a bit fanboyish and unjustifiable. Where Sasuke was able to overpower Orochimaru on his own, he still needed the help of three others in order to attept to kill Itachi. Therefore, unless Orochimaru has developed a specific advantage over Itachi since he left Akatsuki, which is unlikely seeing as he decided to possess Sasuke instead of Itachi, then I don't see how he could end up taking over Itachi's body. Also seeing how Akatsuki seems to have been seen as more of threat as of Shippūden, it wouldn't appear to help move the plot foward if Kishimoto brought this character back into it. 24.24.81.186 02:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I never said it would happen. I just said that I wouldn't be suprsed if it does. I made that guess based on everything that's happened so far in Naruto, and the way Kishimoto creates plot twists of this kind. Now your comment is what seems fanboyish and unjustifiable. Kabuto already seemed to have a kind of kind of second nature back during the first part of the series where his eyes would change color when he got mad. Kishimoto wouldn't give him a similar state to Juugo, because it wouldn't be something that new and because he wouldn't want to have two characters be so similar. And as for my Orochimaru possesing Itachi theory, just because something happens at one point doesn't mean it will be the same story next time. By your logic, just because Kakashi needed the help of his students (look 2-3 people right there!) to bail him out of Zabuza's trap during their first meeting, that would mean Zazbuza could have easily killed him during their second meeting when they were fighting alone. Or just because even Gaara's own father, the Kazekage himself, feared Gaara's power, a genin like Naruto shouldn't have been able to beat him let alone after he transformed. Or how could the Uchiha, being the strongest clan of Konoha, be killed so easily by a single member of their village? See? You definetly chose the wrong story to bring up that kind of logic. Practically every single fight in Naruto craps all over it. Orochimaru COULD take over Kabuto, and go on to Itachi after Sasuke's team has weakened him. Perhaps they cause him to overuse his Sharingan eyes, who knows? Orochimaru could find him, make his move, steal his body, and seek vengeance on Sasuke. The point is just that neither of us knows whats gonna happen and we'll just have to read the story. 65.54.154.152 02:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

All this speculation is not helping to improve the article. There is reasonable doubt as to Orochimaru being 100% dead, thus we will not declare him definitely as being dead. We can just relay the facts and let the reader do the speculation. This should be the end of the discussion. –Gunslinger47 02:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I agknowledge that the possiblity of Orochimaru taking over Kabuto is a legitimate theory, I just don't see how it could happen with his soul inside of Sasuke at the time being, although something could change later on in terms of plot in order to allow this. As for the comment regarding similarity between Juugo and Kabuto, I just noticed a similarity in that both individuals had a foreign entity in them that was difficult to control, and that since Orochimaru's mind did not appear to be present in Kabuto, to me as though his condition was more akin to Juugo's than to that of Naruto or Gaara, both of whom had a second will present in them. So by saying that he may become similar to Juugo was only meant in regards to his difficulty controlling his power, not to any other aspect of Juugo's state. Although you do have a point about Kishimoto not wanting to make his character's too similar. Regardless, this is a bit speculative on my part, I just wished to clarify on what I meant in regards to this. As for what I was referring to as fanboyish, the prospect of Orochimaru returning out of the blue and taking possession of Itachi's body just seemed far too random to be a likely occurence. Where Kabuto integrating Orochimaru into his body could be interpreted as forshadowing his return, and where Orochimaru could overtake Itachi under different curcumstances later on, the leap from Orochimaru returning to the plot to him taking over Itachi and going after Sasuke for revenge didn't to have much grounding apart from him trying to use the Living Corpse Reincarnation jutsu on Itachi in the past. I only regarded it as fanboyish because it appeared to place Orochimaru in a position far more central to the plot than he has taken as of yet, and because it didn't really explain what this theory was based around. Still, like you said, neither of us knows what will happen, so we ought to just read on and see what develops. I just wanted to clarify on what was meant by my comments. 24.24.81.186 04:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Something needs changing
From the latest chapter we know the oro left akatsuki ten years ago, but in the article it saids oro left after he failed to get itachi's body. But then that means itachi was 10 years old when that happen. So I think we can all agree that oro left BEFORE he tried to take itachi's body. So i purpose that the article be changed to oro leaving akatsuki before he tried to get itachi's body. Omimon


 * Actually, no. Both were in Akatsuki during the body switch attempt. That's why he left. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:21, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe that Itachi was in the Akatsuki ten years ago. Omimon


 * We've never given a timeline. Fact is, they make it pretty clear both were in Akatsuki at the time. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

If you seriously believe Itachi was a member when he was ten then i got nothing more to say. Omimon


 * And if you insist on denying the obvious, then perhaps you shouldn't say anything in the first place? I'll admit the timeline is inconsistent, but denying the obvious to correct it is not the way to go. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:43, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Wasn't Kakashi Hatake a chuunin at some ridiculously young age? JuJube 06:34, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Kakashi was chūnin four years younger than Itachi. 'Course, they were at war with the Earth at the time, so promotions might have been fast-tracked a little. –Gunslinger47 22:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Are you at least willing to add the fact that he left exactly ten years ago or do you think that it is UNNECESSARY. Omimon


 * I never opposed that. I merely corrected your misinterpretation. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 06:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Orochimaru- Sensai?
Okay from what i have gather Orochimaru has had 2 students under his training Mizuki and Anko Mitarashi. Does anybody know if he had more that have been mentioned in the series so far? Deblow 02:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Mizuki was mentioned in the filler arcs so it not considered canon. In fact anything above episodes 135 until the last 10 minutes of 220 of naruto is not considered as part of the actual storyline. In answer to your question, none has been mentioned other than Anko. -ScotchMB 03:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

deaceased
im putting the deceased tag on since he is dead he is not living


 * And we'll take it off since he's a fictional character and thus was never alive to begin with. :) –Gunslinger47 20:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Everyone, get it through your heads. Orochimaru is dead. Both Kabuto even said so in the last issue. He said something along the lines of "After Sasuke killed Orochimaru-Sama, I merely integrated his remains into my own body." He MAY return, but not in his previous form, but as a virus taking over Kabuto's body. Orochimaru, as we know him, at least, is DEAD. His power and jutsu survive in Sasuke's mind and Kabuto's body, but Orochimaru himself is dead, and he's not coming back as we know him. User:AXB-H


 * Thank you for your unsolicited comments, however this thread is regarding the tagging of "deceased" in Orochimaru's infobox. –Gunslinger47 01:07, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It seems as though the deceased tag ought to be put in his infobox, as Gen'yumaru, who is in essentially the same state as Orochimaru, is regarded as such, and listing Orochimaru as deceased would seem to show more consistency throughout the pages regarding this series. Where it is possible that he may return to the series later on, it would appear to make the most sense to remove the tag if and when he does return.24.24.81.186 04:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see. If his death can be verified, then I have no problem with placing deceased by the age.  This appears to be the convention.  I still stand by my previous statements, though.  –Gunslinger47 05:50, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Several Characters, Including Kabuto have already confirmed his death in the chapters. 70.145.110.92 21:03, 5 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Except that Sasuke (the person who "killed" Orochimaru) says that he's not really dead. Most likely, Oro is still inside of Sasuke's body, and merely unable to take it over because Sasuke's will is too strong. 71.203.209.0 12:41, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually in the case of Orochimaru, he's more of being "incapitated". If he does returns, it would be through either Sasuke and/or Kabuto as each have half of him. That could lead to "There can be only one" confronation that ends with a shocking twist. Fractyl 19:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Tongue
Shouldnt it be noted somewhere in the article about his exstendable tongue and how he uses it quite frequently?


 * Same can said about his neck, mystery poster Fractyl 00:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Genin Team
Didnt the anime say that Mizuki was his student, it also says it under Mizuki's info. Doesn't that mean Mizuki and Anko were 2 of his students ... I dount they would assign him 1 genin. Besides, they are around the same age... maybe Anko was just his favorite so he taught her all them moves.