Talk:Ortgies semi-automatic pistol

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Just as a thought, isn't it a bit excessive to slap all those cleanup tags on a one-sentence stub? For instance, we could add "links to other articles," but only by linking the years and general terms like "pistol," which I think would constitute the kind of overlinking that is discouraged these days. Drhoehl (talk) 23:28, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Cleanup tags are meant to help. They're not a badge of shame. This article needs expansion, and tagging it is a good way to put it in the automatic categories that will attract people to do that. It should also be added to the appropriate categories so people from projects will find it and improve it. Shadowjams (talk) 03:56, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Relation to the 7.62 Tokarev
Superficially it looks a lot like a Tok, are they related mechanically?

Trimming down title
The "7.65 mm" part can definitely go, but should it be trimmed down to "Ortgies Semi-Automatic Pistol", "Ortgies Pistol", or just "Ortgies"? MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:11, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Literary references
This section adds no content of significant importance to the subject and should be removed per WP:Trivia. Toddst1 (talk) 18:04, 13 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I disagree. Salinger was a significant American author, and the story in question was his "breakthrough" publication.  He chose this specific firearm by name as a key element in the climax of the story.  The mystery writer admittedly is not as well known to English-speaking audiences, but based on his Wikipedia article he appears to be much more than the average pop fiction hack, and, again, he specifically mentions the Ortgies at a key point in the action of his novel (in this case, the opening).  Both references suggest how, at one time, the Ortgies was embedded in the public consciousness to a degree that reference in a serious work of fiction would call up a knowing response in the reader. Drhoehl (talk) 19:36, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * That Salinger was prominent isn't the issue: How is the character's having an Ortgies different from the brand of luggage it was inside or the shirt it was under in the luggage? Seems pretty incidental to both the literature and the history of the Ortgies Semi-Automatic Pistol- certainly not pivotal in terms of encyclopedic value. Toddst1 (talk) 21:30, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note that the Wikipedia article A Perfect Day for Bananafish makes no mention of any Ortgies Semi-Automatic Pistols. QED. Toddst1 (talk) 00:30, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note that it did until someone deleted the reference. I didn't contest the deletion, as I figured those who were maintaining the article from a literary perspective were entitled to their judgment call as to whether the pistol merited mention in an article about the story.  I think somewhat different standards apply here, however, and the story does merit mention in an article about the pistol--no QED whatsoever.  As to luggage and shirts, no opinion is necessary: the story doesn't mention them by name, whereas it does mention the Ortgies by name. Drhoehl (talk) 21:50, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

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