Talk:Orthodox stance

Illustration
An illustration showing boxers in both the orthodox and southpaw stances would be useful for this article. Unfortunately, I lack the talent to draw one. Any ideas? Spottacus 17:17, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppose merger with Orthodox Stance
I created Orthodox (boxing) and I think it was a good article with more detailed and specific subject matter than Orthodox Stance. Someone since merged some of its text with Orthodox Stance, but I believe there's a place for each, the distinction being that Orthodox Stance is general and could be applied to boxing, wrestling, some martial arts, and MMA. Orthodox (boxing) is very specific to boxing, or at least that's the way I wrote it.Brain Rodeo 14:59, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree - it should be a subheading within this page. Should there be an article for each discipline? such as Orthodox (boxing), Orthodox (wrestling), Orthodox (karate), Orthodox (MMA), Orthodox (Muay Thai) etc? No - becuase they are all variants of the same thing, that being the Orthodox stance - if there is additonal material for the individual disciplines then that information should be contained within a subheading of this article.--Vintagekits 15:18, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that one comprehensive article with subheadings for each relevant distinction would be preferable. That isn't what we have, though; what we have is an inelegant, heavy-handed merger.  Unfortunately I'm not qualified to write subsections on other types of combat, but I can try to sort out the merged article as it exists and allow for someone else to add subheadings.Brain Rodeo 15:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That is an argument to improve the existing article not ot have two which deal with the same topic - same goes for Southpaw stance.--Vintagekits 15:34, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not an argument at all, Vintagekits. It's an offer of compromise.  No need to go lookin for a fight, buddy.Brain Rodeo 15:48, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No one is looking for a fight - especially as a dont fight Orthodox - my issue is that there is nothing within the Orthodox (boxing) article that cannot be easily and more accurately in terms of its context housed within the Orthodox stance article. Additonally I notice that the Southpaw (boxing) article doesnt just deal with boxing and also touches of Muay Thai - hence enforcing the reasoning that they should all be under the one umbrella - infact if you look at the Southpaw (boxing) and Orthodox (boxing) articles if you swap the term "boxer" and "boxing" for "fighter" and "fighting" then the article could be about any combat dicipline.--Vintagekits 15:57, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * First, I wrote the southpaw article and someone else added the Muay Thai crap. So I don't see how that proves anything.  Secondly, I don't know why we're still discussing it, when I've already offered a compromise.  If you'll give your consent, I'll do as I suggested above, and "try to sort out the merged article as it exists and allow for someone else to add subheadings."Brain Rodeo 16:00, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * DO what you want mate, I cant do anything at the moment. All I am saying is that they are derivatives of the one stance.--Vintagekits 16:03, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * While not derivatives, they certainly are variations on a theme. And since you've felt strongly enough about it to modify and redirect the article I wrote once and have someone else redirect it a second time, I don't think it's worth arguing, even though I don't entirely agree with you.  I'm offering a compromise and not getting a real answer.  Don't tell me to do what I want, tell me whether you would like to accept my proposed compromise.Brain Rodeo 16:08, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * What I am saying is that I am blocked at the moment and cant do anything - if you want to fix it go ahead. cheers. --Vintagekits 16:49, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I wish it sounded more like we had arrived at an agreement. What this sounds like is you're refrusing to agree to anything.  Presumably you won't be blocked forever, and I'd like to agree to a compomise that you won't be tempted to change someday in the future.Brain Rodeo 21:08, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Orthodox stance should stay as the main title and then you can break down and add paragraphs for each more specific martial art, boxing, kickboxing, muay thai or whatever. same goes for all the techniques, hooks, uppercuts, kicks etc. - techniques used in more than one martial art. (Marty Rockatansky 22:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC))
 * Like this?--Vintagekits 22:48, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * yeah something like this. it's far from complete article by quality standards but it makes sense right? (Marty Rockatansky 22:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC))


 * man it's a mess right now... southpaw shouldn't be redirected from Left-handed article. then there's a separate article created Southpaw (boxing) but it doesn't come up from search when you type in "Southpaw". i suggest you guys to start working your way down from main Boxing article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marty Rockatansky (talk • contribs) 23:10, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm opting out. Don't have time for this.  I'll tell you, though, this article could really use an illustration and some expansion of the strategy text. Brain Rodeo 00:58, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Confusing terms
The opening states that the Orthodox stance is for a right-handed boxer to fight with his left foot forward. The "southpaw" stance is the same thing, the left-handed boxer leads with his right side. An "alternative" stance would logically mean that a left-handed fighter with the left foot forward or a right-handed boxer with his right foot forward.

In other words, from what I read on the page, the southpaw stance is absolutely orthodox, and no alternative stance is mentioned or described.

I have no stake in this; I don't follow boxing and was only here because I'm profiling Muhammad Ali for qotd.org at the moment. But I expect a high standard of logic and clarity here.Vanhorn (talk) 08:57, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

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