Talk:Orthodoxy by country

The map
It's rather unfortunate that the canonical Eastern Orthodox claim that map as if it is exclusively their own and relevant to a canonical EOC alone article (as this very article has been developed), when it is clear that the Oriental Orthodox are also being depicted in the map. Deusveritasest (talk) 02:10, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Right. If Egypt is included then Armenia, Eritrea, and Ethiopia should be.--192.250.175.25 (talk) 17:33, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

This page has some serious problems. First, Orthodoxy by country? What kind of Orthodoxy? Orthodox Judaism? Orthodox Hinduism? The title of the page should be "Orthodox Christianity by Country." Secondly, the page fails entirely to distinguish between Eastern Orthodox Christianity and Oriental Orthodox Christianity--they are not the same thing! And the map associated with the article is obviously a map of Eastern Orthodox Christianity--the Oriental Orthodox are nowhere to be found on it, which makes for incongruity between the map and the content of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.216.36.157 (talk) 04:20, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I see that as of 2013, the map has been edited to make some distinction between Oriental and Eastern Orthodox. But it's still confusing, and it still begs the question: Why are these two distinct Christian faiths being forced into the same Wikipedia article? The fact that they have a word in common in their names is irrelevant. No one would put Orthodox Jews and Eastern Orthodox Christians in the same article... would they? 184.175.14.142 (talk) 14:25, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Egyptians are eastern not oriental!
Or did I get that wrong??--Kid 007 (talk) 16:35, 12 December 2011 (UTC)


 * You got that wrong. :) Today, the three biggest churches in Egypt are:
 * Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria (claiming 12 million members within Egypt)
 * Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria (claiming 250,000 members within Egypt)
 * Coptic Catholic Church (also based in Alexandria; claiming 163,000 members within Egypt)
 * The Coptic Orthodox are members of the Oriental Orthodox Church. The Greek Orthodox are Eastern Orthodox. The Coptic Catholics are Roman Catholics.
 * The Alexandrian church, by the way, was one of the original churches, founded by the apostle Mark. The reason there are now 3 apostolic churches in Alexandria (i.e. 3 churches claiming succession from Mark) is that they divided off from each other over the years. The Coptic Orthodox and the united Roman Catholics / Greek Orthodox went separate ways in 451 when the Copts refused to accept the Council of Chalcedon. The Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholics went separate ways in 1054 during the Great Schism. This left only the Greek Orthodox and Coptic Orthodox churches in Egypt. The current Coptic Catholic Church originated in the 1700s, when some Copts re-affirmed their allegiance to the Roman Catholic Church.
 * Of course, none of this is indicated in that ridiculous map in the article. 184.175.14.142 (talk) 14:43, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The Alexandrian church, by the way, was one of the original churches, founded by the apostle Mark. The reason there are now 3 apostolic churches in Alexandria (i.e. 3 churches claiming succession from Mark) is that they divided off from each other over the years. The Coptic Orthodox and the united Roman Catholics / Greek Orthodox went separate ways in 451 when the Copts refused to accept the Council of Chalcedon. The Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholics went separate ways in 1054 during the Great Schism. This left only the Greek Orthodox and Coptic Orthodox churches in Egypt. The current Coptic Catholic Church originated in the 1700s, when some Copts re-affirmed their allegiance to the Roman Catholic Church.
 * Of course, none of this is indicated in that ridiculous map in the article. 184.175.14.142 (talk) 14:43, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Of course, none of this is indicated in that ridiculous map in the article. 184.175.14.142 (talk) 14:43, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

"Statistics" section
The table under "Statistics" is highly problematic because it does not make clear whether it is enumerating Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, or both. (If both, this is basically nonsense. The Eastern and Oriental Orthodox are not the same faith, as has been mentioned elsewhere on this page.)

I also notice that several countries with sizable Orthodox populations are missing from the table. Australia, for example, has a large Orthodox community of 563,100 (at least according to this page: http://orthodoxwiki.org/Statistics_of_Orthodoxy_in_Australia). I also do not see other countries with large orthodox communities, like the UK, Germany, and France. (Oddly, someone saw fit to include Norway, with its 10,000 members, but not countries with one or two orders of magnitude more members.)

Essentially, I think this table is so poorly made that it should be deleted altogether. 76.10.147.176 (talk) 15:27, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Eastern & Oriental
Since this article, in its present form, still deals with two distinctive branches of Eastern Christianity: "Eastern Orthodoxy" and "Oriental Orthodoxy", it would be best, for the sake of consistency, to follow the structure of other relevant articles and divide the contents of this page between two separate articles: Eastern Orthodoxy by country and Oriental Orthodoxy by country. Such solution would resolve all questions that were raised so far on this talk page. Sorabino (talk) 08:31, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree. Template has been introduced. Chicbyaccident (talk) 18:50, 14 September 2017 (UTC)