Talk:Orthomolecular psychiatry/Archive 2

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Archived the page via page move. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules: simple/complex 22:12, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

The Orthomolecular Psychiatry page is completely erroneous. Just view PubMed research linking vitamins and such to mental wellness. Allowing this misinformation makes me doubt the validity of all pages on Wiki. Sad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.153.228.168 (talk) 18:02, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

I looked at some of the citations criticizing orthomolecular psychiatry. The one citation following the claim by the National Institute of Health was directly referring specifically to multivitamin therapy. Orthomolecular psychiatry is far broader than just multivitamin therapy. This page definitely needs a lot more work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.6.241.89 (talk) 06:56, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Exactly. Mashyker (talk) 18:43, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Omega-3 and bipolar
Verbal reverted, saying "the quote doesn't seem to support the content". The content is supported primarily by the first reference, which is a review study published in a peer-reviewed journal. The quote included in the second footnote also partially supports it.

If that explanation isn't considered enough, then I suggest putting the edit back in with any one of the following changes to address Verbal's concern: ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 20:14, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Keeping both references, but removing the quote from the footnote, or
 * Removing the second reference entirely, and basing the content only on the first reference, or
 * Keeping both references and keeping the quote, but changing to wording such as the following, which I think is well supported by either one of the references: "A 1999 study finds evidence supporting beneficial results using omega-3 fatty acids in bipolar disorder."

scientists were able to isolate the zinc-copper-Bcomplex relationship
An editor recently added: At least until recently, when Dr. Ananda Prassad, Theresa Vernon (with multiple degrees) and other nutritionists and molecular scientists were able to isolate the zinc-copper-Bcomplex relationship and its effects on mental health, both developmental and actual.

Can you please provide more information about what exactly was isolated, and give the PMID for the article? 21:37, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm not the original poster but found the PMID user Zad68 asked: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13985937

I could not find the full text of that yet but it was referenced from this article http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2277319/ Zinc in Human Health: Effect of Zinc on Immune Cells (Ananda S Prasad)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.155.26.87 (talk) 03:51, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Vitamin Therapy in Schizophrenia
This article is of interest: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18587164

can be read here: http://web.archive.org/web/20120220044541/http://www.psychiatry.org.il/upload/infocenter/info_images/5272008115357AM@Pages%20from%20IJP-45-1-2.pdfPottinger&#39;s cats (talk) 14:43, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

See also "Nutritional therapies for mental disorders": http://www.nutritionj.com/content/7/1/2Pottinger&#39;s cats (talk) 14:54, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Ellsberg, Michael. How I Overcame Bipolar II (and Saved My Own Life). Forbes. July 18, 2011. Paul Forsyth. Orthomolecular Medicine: Can vitamins help those that medications have failed?. Schizophrenia Digest, Spring 2008--TheNautilus (talk) 02:54, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm a paediatrician and geneticist and see children with metabolic diseases. Recently I've seen several children who have been diagnosed with 'pyroluria', with a variety of underlying symptoms said to be explained by this diagnosis. These include autism and developmental delay but also headaches and nonspecific symptoms of various types. Often by the time I get to see them, they have been placed on various mineral and vitamin supplements; sometimes these are supplied at great expense by the people who made the original 'diagnosis'. A colleague just told me of a patient who had been given a potentially toxic dose of pyridoxine to treat this non-condition. The section on pyroluria in this article is well written and conveys the right message - i.e. that this is quackery with no scientific basis. I wonder though if pyroluria deserves its own page, perhaps in addition to rather than instead of this section - given that nonpsychiatric symptoms are being ascribed to this non-disease? I can see arguments against doing this as well as arguments in favour and don't feel I know wikipedia well enough to be sure that it's a good idea to just start such a page. So I thought I'd raise the issue on the talk page - not sure how actively this is read...? 203.10.55.11 (talk) 05:57, 4 August 2014 (UTC)ek
 * It depends on how notable pyroluria is, and whether it's independently notable as opposed to being entirely encompassed in this article. Consider using to bring in more opinions on the matter. Muffinator (talk) 07:11, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

APA statement response - source issue?
The line "One review suggested..." comes from a Dr. Leonard John Hoffer, who goes by L. John Hoffer and is also a Canadian physician interested in IV vitamin therapy. Abram Hoffer had a son "John".

Am I pulling an imaginary thread or is this guy the son of the founder. His bio page doesn't mention.

http://www.ladydavis.ca/en/johnhoffer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timetraveler3.14 (talk • contribs) 03:41, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Dr. William J. Walsh
There is no a word about Dr. Walsh here while he’s currently the most prominent figure in the world of orthomolecular psychiatry. His book’s called “Nutrient Power.” Mashyker (talk) 18:42, 23 September 2018 (UTC)