Talk:Osaka/Archive 1

Article title
Can't we just put this in Osaka rather than redirect to a VERY clumsy title? (If it were "Osaka City" or something, I could understand... but who says "Osaka, Osaka?") Sekicho 11:13, Feb 29, 2004 (UTC)


 * I suspect that when people say Osaka, do they really mean the city of Osaka or Osaka prefecture? Like Tokyo doesn't refer to Tokyo City, which is not in existence, Osaka may not be the same as a particular city. -- Taku 17:02, Mar 1, 2004 (UTC)


 * Osaka, Osaka sounds like New York, New York (song). Move it to Osaka -- Kaihsu 17:08, 2004 Mar 1 (UTC)

Actually New York City is located at an article named New York, New York. -- Taku 17:12, Mar 1, 2004 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but who says "Osaka, Osaka?" ... "New York, New York" is one thing... we use it on addresses and stuff. But "Osaka, Osaka?"  No.  There's no ambiguity as long as the prefecture is linked in the first sentence. -- Sekicho 22:38, Mar 1, 2004 (UTC)

But then what about Chicago, Illinois? Isn't it very clumsy title? Who talks about Chicago by Chicago, Illinois. This is simply due to the consistency of nameing currently we have adapted. That is, {City name}, {Prefecture name} just like the US ones. -- Taku 02:39, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)


 * Has there been a discussion on how to name Japanese cities? -- Sekicho 06:08, Mar 2, 2004 (UTC)

Wikiproject Japanese districts and municipalites is what I was talking. -- Taku 19:39, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)

Why not call the article "Osaka City, Osaka Prefecture" and have all the variants on Osaka link to it? The Japanese version of this page distinguishes between Osaka City, Osaka Prefecture, and just "Osaka" in general. We probably should too.--Carl


 * Or just say "Osaka City." Sekicho 03:26, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)

Romanization of "Osaka"
"Ousaka" is a misspelling, no matter what Romanization scheme you use, since the Japanese is the long O in Osaka is spelled with the kana o-o not o-u, as it is in Touki[yo]u or Ki[yo]uto. I think we should let people know never to spell it that way, since it makes you look ignorant of the fact that ookii is spelled differently from most other ô sounds in Japanese when you write it Ousaka. --Carl


 * Done. I also removed the hiragana, since they seem unnecessary for the context of this article. Sekicho 03:26, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)


 * And Carl, I can't help but point out that Kyoto is in fact Ki[yo]uto with a short second O. (Wikipedia gets it right though.) Jpatokal 10:50, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Oops! I can't believe I messed that up. I must have just been careless. Haha. Good catch. --Carl

Do we really need the information about Nipponshiki and kunrei in this article at all? Exploding Boy 13:59, Apr 18, 2004 (UTC)


 * Nope, we don't. But if we try to remove it, someone will just add it back, which makes the whole thing a pointless struggle for control. It's sort of irritating, really. --Carl 16:49, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * To me it just seems like overkill. They're so infrequently used, and anyone to whom the distinction would matter would already know about it.  It just clutters up the article and really, it's awkward.  Exploding Boy 08:54, Apr 19, 2004 (UTC)


 * I'm with you 100%. Anyone who cares about romanization already knows how to convert between them. It's worth saying, "Ôsaka or Oosaka is ..." but nothing else. -Carl 23:20, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Isn't the O in Osaka long? Therefore shouldn't there be a macron? WhisperToMe 23:41, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Yes. Sekicho

Photo caption
The name of the second photo "Tennoji district" is wrong. "Umeda district" is correct. Joh Shoh 17:31, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Misc spelling corrections
Two possible misspellings:

... it is not widely eaten in Osaka, which illustrates key differences in the regional palette. (isn't "palate" meant?)

They are known for jumping lines ... (isn't "lanes" meant?)


 * http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Palate - yes, palate is what is meant. Also, traffic is in lanes, not lines.  Lines implies waiting for something, a queue.  I completely agree with these changes and will make them myself in a few hours if there are no objections.  Fudoreaper 22:20, 2005 Apr 28 (UTC)


 * to follow up to myself, i've just made the changes. Does that mean this conversation can be deleted from the talk page? Fudoreaper 19:48, 2005 May 1 (UTC)


 * Who wrote 'lines' to begin with? They may have meant it. I was standing in a huge queue at Super Tamade in Nihonbashi yesterday, and this tiny old lady snuck around a pole and pushed in front of me! Ben Hourigan 21:30, 2005 November 6.

In general, no, don't delete conversations. It's not usually necessary to discuss spelling mistakes, though. Just correct them. &mdash; mjb 20:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Kamagasaki and the 1990 riots
There is currently no mention of the working-class district Kamagasaki, and the riots that occurred there in 1990. The photodocumentary at this site is rather enlightening. The article should definitely touch on these topics, and a separate article on Kamagasaki should describe them in greater depth. Google turns up some interesting links, as well, like this one (PDF). &mdash; mjb 20:26, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Latitude and Longitude?
I'm curious, should wikipedia start including approximate latitude and longitudes for major cities? Is it a useful measurement for an encyclopedia?