Talk:Osceola

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You need to check the statistics. 200,000 looks off for the number of troops deployed - especially given the time and the size of the Army. The entire Army of the time was considerably less than 100,000 as I recall.
 * I changed the size of the U.S. army to 40,000, based on what the Seminole Wars page has as the total. I think that's the best number to put there until a more accurate one is found (assuming there is one).  MorrisGregorian 04:04, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Birthplace
All information I have indicates Osceola was born in Georgia, 1804, along the Tallapoosa River. Of course, borders may have changed since that time. And I'm not familiar with the area. Does the recent edit indicating that the birthplace is in present day Alabama ring true to anyone? I am reverting until a source can be presented. WBardwin 05:12, 12 April 2006 (UTC)


 * second edit with similar information. Source please.  WBardwin 02:46, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I think someone should change the reference to "mixed birth" being an anomaly for a seminole. I know contains a cite for Seminole frowning on inter-marriage with whites, but Osceola was born a creek and later took refuge with the Seminole, the Creeks had no such inhibitions and their principal leaders (William Weatherford, Peter McQueen, etc.) were of mixed blood.

Concur with the suggestion to modify the reference to Seminole opposition to intermarriage with white. Osceola was NOT a Seminole by birth, so Seminole mores about marriage would have little relevance to discussing his lineage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.223.38.110 (talk) 23:23, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. I beg to differ to the above after studying the Seminoles for over 20 years, being part Seminole and due to much contributed information written on this rather sensitive subject. The book, "A Seminole Legend", written by Betty Mae Jumper (Chairperson of the Tribe), Copyright 2001, published by the University of Florida Press, quotes regarding intermarriage: "Miscegenation with whites was not tolerated at all. A Seminole woman who gave birth to a half-white child was immediately killed by hanging...the new born was also killed." (page 12, par.4). Author Clay Macauley in his book, "The Seminoles of Florida", quotes: "The white half breed does not exist among the Florida Seminole...the birth of a white half-breed would be followed by the death of the Indian mother at the hands of her own people."(Introduction Par.3) Thus from all the available information, the Seminole aversion to marriage with whites was a strict rule NOT a general one. Therefore I am reverting the passage about the Seminoles "strictly forbidding intermarriage with whites" back to what I wrote originally. I contributed the information regarding Osceola/Seminole toleration of mixing with whites because I feel it may be crucial in understanding why Osceola strongly defined his Seminole heritage. And To the contrary, it suggests, quite validly that Osceola's denial of white blood may have been due to the their strict rejection of intermarriage. It also enables one to get a more thorough understanding of why the Seminole culture/language/geneology has remained intact despite severe attacks and onslaughts on the culture from without. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahiim03 (talk • contribs) 03:37, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, regarding what Native American Tribe Osceola "took refuge with", Sir it is a well-known fact that Seminoles are a 'derivative' of the Creek tribe (as indicated by their speaking Creek languages and having certain Creek customs). Several Creek Indian bands "took refuge" with and made up a host of what became Seminole. Yet the two tribes were mortal enemies (see The Battle of Wahoo Swamp references). Kenneth L. Benton in "Warrior From West Point" noted: "The Seminoles looked upon the arrival of their old enemies the Creeks with renewed hatred, and lost no opportunity to give vent to their malignity... The Creeks, to distinguish themselves from the Seminoles, wore white turbans." And as to which tribe Osceola affiliated himself with, I think it best to refer to Osceola's statement: " Am I negro? My skin is dark, but not black, I am Indian, Seminole!..." (Chronicle of Indian Wars, pg. 144 par. 1).

His wife was reclaimed
According to New International Encyclopedia, his wife was reclaimed as a slave in 1835. He became belligerent in 1835 following the seizure of his wife. He died in 1838, thus he could not have led any warriors during the conflict with the Caucasians which ended in 1842 or thereabouts. GhostofSuperslum 14:01, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Osceola never had command of as many men as 4000 as that probably exceeded the total number of combatants and women and children combined. For more correct detail check the works of Dr John Mahan former head of the History Department at the University of Florida, Gainesville. He is the American expert on the Second Seminole War though I believe he is now deceased.[User: Johncolby] 14:20,  25 Jan. 07


 * I took that paragraph out. As I've spent quite a bit of time on the Seminole Wars and Second Seminole War articles, I have a good collection of facts supported by reputable sources, and I'll try to work on this article when I get a chance. -- Donald Albury 02:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

As a mascot
I don't know if it should be mentioned, but "Chief Osceola and Renegade" is/are the mascot(s) for Florida State University.  Zchris87v  22:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation?
Hi, could someone in the know add a phonetic transcription of the name? Is it something like [asi'olə] or [ə'ʃolə] or perhaps [a'ʃolə]? --babbage (talk) 19:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That might be a bit hard to do. Yourdictionary.com gives äs′ē-ō′lə, the American Heritage Dictionary gives ǒsē-ōlə or ōsē-ōlə and rootswebgives osEO´lu. Good luck in translating them into IPA. And I suspect that all of those pronunciations differ significantly from the original Creek. -- Donald Albury 21:25, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I've seen it repeatedly stated (and I apologize for not having the source handy) that the name was at one time commonly written as Asi-Yahola, and that the word refers to a hallucinogenic "black drink" consumed on ritual occasions by Seminoles. Don't know if that's true. Tom129.93.65.41 (talk) 00:43, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism
We're getting an awful lot of vandalism on this page by IP's lately. Is there anything we can do about that? Ayzmo (talk) 15:45, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Cause of death
I changed the cause of death section when I found "quinsy" as a well-established (based on the diary of the attending physician) cause on the Quinsy page. I looked at the citation given there on Google books and also at the citation for "malaria" as a cause of death and think "quinsy" is better founded, but I left the "malaria" citation in place, to cover all bases.--Ereunetes (talk) 20:12, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

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