Talk:Oshawa Generals

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Article Size
Due to all the history and stats (season-by-season records and playoff results) I have added, the article size is quite large. I would suggest splitting the article in half, perhaps putting the stats separately? Any ideas? Flibirigit 01:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I have added, much, much more history to the article and have tried to clarify the confusion. Please review. Flibirigit 10:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Whitby Dunlops
The Oshawa Generals were never known as the Whitby Dunlops, who were a senior team. Bobby Orr played for the Generals for four years before entering the NHL in 1966 (as we see here, so clearly the team was not from 1956 to 1964 a senior team operating as the Whitby Dunlops (Orr was 18 when he entered the NHL; senior hockey has a minimum age of 21).
 * This says otherwise, OHL arena guide -- Earl Andrew - talk 15:37, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

If you read it closely, it doesn't. It's just sloppily written. The Whitby Dunlops were a senior team -- their star in '58 was Pete Babando, who started playung in the NHL in '45. The world championship is played for by senior teams. And Bobby Orr could not have played for the Oshawa Generals if they were called the Whitby Dunlops. You will find no source that says he played for Whitby. John FitzGerald 21:55, 5 September 2005 (UTC)


 * It doesn't mention that the Dunlops were a Senior team. Perhaps there was a junior team, and a senior team? -- Earl Andrew - talk 22:11, 5 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Good point. My ancient memories don't recall a Whitby team in Junior A, but that doesn't mean there wasn't one. They weren't the ones to win the world championship, though. Anyway, a little research will straighten this out. John FitzGerald 16:27, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

I finally got round to doing some research, which amounted to checking the OHA Junior A standings in December of every year from 1951 to 1963. The Generals do not appear in those standings from the 52-53 season to the 62-63 season. That suggests they may have dropped into a lower tier for those seasons. The problem is that people weren't as obsessed with sports in those days, so there weren't any lower-tier standings to check in the early years of that gap. However, a Whitby junior team showed up in the Metro Junior A standings after the fire happened. If I can find microfilms of the Oshawa and Whitby papers for the period I can probably sort that out, as well as whether the Whitby junior team was also called the Dunlops.

So, the Generals may well have been listed as a Whitby junior team for some years. The senior Dunlops only show up in the Senior A standings for three seasons, 56-57 to 58-59. I think the assertion that the Generals won the world title as the Dunlops can safely be removed, since that was a senior title. John FitzGerald 19:59, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Generals/Dunlops
According to A History of the Oshawa Generals by Babe Brown, Bobby Attersley, and Bill Kurelo, a fan's history which was "written with the permission of the Oshaw Generals", the team which moved to Whitby to become the Dunlops was the Oshawa Truckmen, a senior team with several former Generals on it. After the fire Oshawa had no junior team at any level until 1958, when the Generals started playing in the Metro Junior A (in which Whitby had a separate team called the Dunlops).

I had to piece this together from different parts of the book. The section about the fire contains one ambiguous passage which could lead you to the conclusion that the Generals became the Dunlops (and which may have been the original source of the confusion), but elsewhere it's clearly stated that the Generals were disbanded immediately after the fire and that there was no junior hockey again in Oahawa till 1960. The team which moved to Whitby is also called Wren Blair's team, which, we learn elsewhere, was the Truckmen.

Anyway, that seems to solve the mystery for me, so I removed the bit about the Dunlops. There's a lot more in the book, though, with which I hope to flesh out the article. John FitzGerald 20:30, 3 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Why does the article state two different dates (1908 on the left side and 1953 on the right)? I hope you can work this one through as well. :) -- Earl Andrew - talk 22:41, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. The first OHA team, according to Brown, started play in 1908, and the name was changed to the Generals in 1937 when GM took over. That team continued play through 1953, then did not play again till 1960, when it was "reactivated." 1953 seems unlikely to be the right date, but I suppose there are circumstances in which that could have been true. The question is whether the team which began playing in 1960 was really a continuation of the old team or a new organziation altogether, so I'll see what I can find about that. I saw another, later history of the Generals some years ago, so I'll look for that. John FitzGerald


 * What was the name of the team in 1908? -- Earl Andrew - talk 23:58, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Doesn't say. By the late 20s they were known as the Shamrocks, but as their original uniforms were orange and black that wasn't likely their name to begin with. In the 30s they were Oshawa Majors. May not have had a name to begin with. John FitzGerald


 * Turns out they had a few other names, too, including the Generals, before 1937. I changed the date on the right to 1937-1938 to be consistent. It seems the best bet at the moment, but I'll look into it some more. I added a brief history and some more players.

New Arena's Name
Quoted from the Oshawa Generals web site:
 * The Oshawa Gardens, also known as the Oshawa Sports and Entertainment Complex will have a new name as of Thursday. A corporate sponsor for the new arena has been found, with an official announcement coming on Thursday. . Flibirigit 01:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The General Motors Centre was announced October 5th, 2006. Flibirigit 02:51, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

DON BATTEN IN THE 1940"S
WHY IS THERE NO UPDATE OR INFORMATION ON DON BATTEN WHO HAS SCORED THE FASTEST GOAL IN OHA HISTORY FROM THE STARTING WHISTLE OF PLAY OFFS? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.190.43 (talk • contribs)


 * If you would like to mention it, please add it. I would suggest adding it with the 1944 Memorial Cup. Here is an online source to use. Don Batten - Cornwall Sports Hall of Fame. Flibirigit 19:29, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

UNIDENTIFIED JERSEY
I HAVE A GENERALS JERSEY SITTING IN MY GARAGE #10 OF WHICH I ACQUIRED AND HAVE NO IDEA FROM AND DOES ANYONE HAVE AN IDEA WHOS NUMBER THIS WOULD BE? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.190.43 (talk • contribs)

Stephen Colbert Vs. Generals Addition?
I think that the little scuffle between this team and Stephen Colbert should be mentioned or perhaps even get its own section. If that happens, the article should be tagged with a "Current Event" banner as long as this lasts. Any thoughts?--Dark Green 23:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The section exists as an article on the TV show. Also, it's an extremely minor event within the history of the team. Flibirigit 02:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I can see it as a minor event, but it's still a part of the team's history. I could also see it as a major event, as this puts this team on an international stage of pop culture. I mean, nobody would know about this team unless they lived in that part of Ontario and had a kid in hockey. It's like saying that the Beatles playing on the Ed Sullivan show was a very minor part of the show's history. Well, not on the same sacle, but you see the point I'm trying to make. I feel that, if this article is truly to be comprehensive, we need to mention this.--Dark Green 19:31, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * A toned down section would be more appropriate for Mayor John Gray's page, or the local radio station, KX96. The team itself did not initiate the publicity stunt. Flibirigit 02:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Number 9 retired twice?
How is this possible? How did it get "unofficially retired" for Bruce Melanson when it was already retired for Red Tilson? BsroiaadnTalk 00:27, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The uniform # 9 was consitently worn for the Oshawa Generals after Red Tilson's death, up until Bruce Melanson's death. Since Melanson's death, the number has never been worn. The number was officially retired for Tilson on November 11, 2006, at a special Remembrance Day ceremony. Flibirigit 03:53, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

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 * Image has been orphaned, since no valid free license exists. Suggest it be deleted. Flibirigit (talk) 02:02, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Team Captains
Here is an imcomplete list of team captains. I hope someone can fill in the blanks. Flibirigit (talk) 18:14, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

List

 * 1937–38 – x
 * 1938–39 – Billy Taylor
 * 1939–40 – Jud McAtee
 * 1940–41 – x
 * 1941–42 – x
 * 1942–43 – x
 * 1943–44 – x
 * 1944–45 – x
 * 1945–46 – x
 * 1946–47 – Phil Samis
 * 1947–48 – x
 * 1948–49 – x
 * 1949–50 – Frank Sullivan
 * 1950–51 – x
 * 1951–52 – Bobby Attersley
 * 1952–53 – x


 * 1962–63 – x
 * 1963–64 – Danny O'Shea
 * 1964–65 – Ron Buchanan
 * 1965–66 – Bobby Orr
 * 1966–67 – Nick Beverly
 * 1967–68 – John Clayton
 * 1968–69 – x
 * 1969–70 – Bob Stewart
 * 1970–71 – Terry O'Reilly
 * 1971–72 – Doug Ferguson
 * 1972–73 – Lee Fogolin
 * 1973–74 – Lee Fogolin
 * 1974–75 – Bud Stefanski
 * 1975–76 – Greg Malone
 * 1976–77 – Bob Gladney
 * 1977–78 – Ray Irwin
 * 1978–79 – x
 * 1979–80 – Jim Mellon
 * 1980–81 – Steve Konroyd
 * 1981–82 – Mitch Lamoureux
 * 1982–83 – Joe Cirella
 * 1983–84 – John MacLean
 * 1984–85 – John Stevens
 * 1985–86 – John Stevens
 * 1986–87 – Jim Paek
 * 1987–88 – Sean Williams
 * 1988–89 – x
 * 1989–90 – Iain Fraser
 * 1990–91 – Paul O'Hagan
 * 1991–92 – Brian Grieve
 * 1992–93 – Scott Hollis
 * 1993–94 – Sean Brown
 * 1994–95 – Darryl Lafrance
 * 1995–96 – Jeff Ware
 * 1996–97 – Ryan Lindsay
 * 1997–98 – Peter Hogan
 * 1998–99 – Bryan Allen
 * 1999–00 – Brent Gauvreau
 * 2000–01 – Brandon Cullen / Kevin Mitchell
 * 2001–02 – Chris Minard
 * 2002–03 – Jamie Johnson
 * 2003–04 – Tobias Whelan
 * 2004–05 – Brett Trudell
 * 2005–06 – Peter Tsimikalis
 * 2006–07 – Eric Regan
 * 2007–08 – Eric Regan
 * 2008–09 – John Tavares