Talk:Osseledets

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"It is commonly used as a pejorative term for ethnic Ukrainians."

I have asked two of my Ukrainian friends (on separate occasions) if calling them a "Khokhol" is offensive and they told me that it is normal nickname for the Ukrainians and they are ok with it... So how it is?! I don't get it... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.65.227.150 (talk) 03:25, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
 * This word has no offensive or pejorative meaning in Russian and often used by Ukrainian people themself.217.173.18.179 (talk) 17:27, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I once offended a Ukrainian girl (accidentally) by using this word in jest regarding her - so, it seems to be offensive.Malick78 (talk) 20:58, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * As a Ukrainian I can testify that this word is pejorative. You can compare the usage of this word to "nigger", which is fine is it's addressed by one black person to another (see The Wire series as example), but becomes offensive when it is used by a white person. Same goes for "khokhol" - we (Ukrainians) can use it in some situations as a joke, but when other nations, especially Russians, use it it feels very offensive.

In Mongolia
The same hairstyle with the same name also exists in Mongolia.


 * Inreresting. Anyone care dig deeper? - üser:Altenmann >t 04:06, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

English language definition as pejorative
I keep intending to dig up a copy of Bely's "Petersburg" (the Penguin version, if memory serves me correctly), where the protagonist is introduced to an unpleasant Ukrainian businessman whom he describes as a typical khokhol. 'Khokhol' is footnoted as being a pejorative term.

If anyone has a copy and can access it before me, it would be appreciated. If not, I'll get around to it at some point in the future. Cheers. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:57, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Merge suggestion
Support - an obvious WP:FORK; same subject. I have no idea why forked it. - üser:Altenmann >t 04:05, 28 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Do not support Unreasonable merging proposal. Two words with absolutely different meaning coverage. Chupryna is general term while oseledec or khokol may be considered as sub-type of chupryna. Artciles cannot be merged, it is totally wrong suggestion by someone far from Ukrainian language and vocabulary structure. Comment above with 'I have no idea why' reason cannot be counted as vote (since voting is not based on number, but on meaning of remarks) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.92.129.144 (talk) 15:35, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose (since I reverted a merge only recently when there'd been no reasonable discussion here) on the grounds that "khokhol" is used in an entirely different manner to the actual hairstyle. It is a pejorative term, and while we may be lacking in English language WP:RS as to its use, the use is alive and thriving on the internet alone. I did think on it for a while, and was considering self-reverting on the merge issue, but Nigger is not treated as a subsection of the Negro article. There's a vast difference between the WP:COMMONNAME of a style of haircut and a colloquial pejorative. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:47, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Closing merge proposal, given consensus not to merge; added a Template:main in order to keep the link between the two pages. Klbrain (talk) 17:56, 6 December 2017 (UTC)