Talk:Ottawa/Archives/2022

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment 2019
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Settlement type
I added "National capital" to the settlement type to mirror other capital city articles (Madrid, London, Mexico City, New Delhi). It's especially important for Ottawa, considering that the very reason Ottawa exists today is because it was selected as the capital of the Province of Canada in 1855. Everything that has come out of Ottawa since is a result of that decision. Its status as a national capital is at least as important as it being a "single tier municipality" --IDW5605 (talk) 00:28, 7 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi . Welcome to Wikipedia. Contrary to use elsewhere like those examples you provided, the "settlement_type" parameter at Template:Infobox settlement is not intended to convey a settlement's role as a capital city of a country, province, state, territory, etc. Rather, the parameter is intended to display its status as a settlement "... such as City, Town, Village, Hamlet, Municipality, Reservation, etc." Essentially, what is the settlement's status, whether as an incorporated community (i.e. a municipality) or an unincorporated community? If you want to use this parameter for a settlement's role as a capital in addition to its municipal status, I suggest you start a discussion at Template talk:Infobox settlement and achieve consensus there first before implementing this here. I will revert your good faith edit in the meantime. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 00:48, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

2nd Coldest National Capital Ranking
There is at least some debate as to if Ottawa is the 2nd Coldest National Capital, as the climate data for Astana (Kazakhstan) and Ulaan-Baatar (Mongolia) are not complete enough to fix Ottawa's 2nd Coldest National Capital ranking placement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eyreland (talk • contribs) 04:24, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Ottawa for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Ottawa is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America1000 01:09, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

See also section
The see also section is in need of some editing. A list of hospitals, churches, mosques, and synagogues, doesn't really seem note worthy IMO. I think we can do better. Gizapink (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Montage update
I think it's time for the montage to be updated. There are some photos in the current montage that dates back to 2005, and I think Wikipedia should do better. Here is a prototype, please provide any suggestions to make it better in order for it to be featured in the infobox.

ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯  talk  22:06, 27 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes I agree the current montage is aged and needs a refresh. I reverted your montage just until we can work out some issues with it. Mainly, the Langevin Block has the corner cut off (not a big deal), and the World Exchange Plaza is just a random office tower, has no real prominence in the city. Not sure what other photos can be used. Gizapink (talk) 18:47, 5 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I don't mind adding Rideau Hall in there, but having the Art Gallery and the War Memorial are a must in my opinion. -- Earl Andrew - talk 19:51, 5 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Done. I added the national gallery image to its respective museum section as I think the montage should highlight the prominent and unique landmarks of the city, such as the iconic hotel and parliament hill, the Rideau canal, and its main government related buildings. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  21:52, 5 May 2020 (UTC)


 * What about this? Still don't love the Langevin building picture, but it's a good angle. Gizapink (talk) 00:10, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I think the Office of the Prime Minister and Privy Council has more prominent importance in the context of the city and the country, whereas the art gallery is just a museum (not really at the level of the Louvre or anything)- and is already shown in the Museum section. Additionally, the war memorial in my version is more recent and focuses on the subject in a bit more professional way. I still think the Rideau Hall should be kept, as it has a bigger impact in the scope of the Canadian government. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯  talk  00:35, 6 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Disagree. This is not the United States. The Prime Minister's office is not that important of a building for the city. It doesn't stand out in particular, and isn't really that architecturally interesting. It's not even used as a metonym the way the White House is or 10 Downing (though 24 Sussex is, not that we should use it either though). Ottawa is known for its museums, and in my opinion, the Art Gallery is the nicest and most symbolic (right up there with the Museum of History, which is in next door Gatineau). -- Earl Andrew - talk 02:24, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with Earl Andrew here. Most people outside of Ottawa probably don't even know the Langevin Block even exists. Gizapink (talk) 02:34, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Okay, that's reasonable. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  02:43, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The sculpture of the big bug is a bit creepy, and takes the focus away from the building (which is what's notable). Magnolia677 (talk) 09:40, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That's Maman, and it's awesome. How dare you! ;-) -- Earl Andrew - talk 13:59, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Agree again. Maman is locally and internationally esteemed. Gizapink (talk) 18:48, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Since there is already a national gallery with the Maman image in the article, I think it would be fine to just show the main gallery building in the montage, as yes, that is the more important building. Looking back at the previous montage, the image of the gallery didn't show the sculpture of the giant Maman spider, so I don't think it's that big of a deal. Prototype 3:

ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯  talk  21:50, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I thought we agreed to get rid of the Langevin block? -- Earl Andrew - talk 01:47, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oops, I forgot to take it out. What should we replace it with? ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  03:15, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I would go with Rideau Hall.-- Earl Andrew - talk 13:18, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  21:58, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the angled war monument image above is better than the straight on. Gizapink (talk) 05:04, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * In my opinion that straight on image looks better and is also 5 years more recent. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  03:31, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I am making montages for Canadian cities that are being used mainly at Portuguese Wikipedia. I've just made a montage for Ottawa, what do you think of this File:Ottawa Montage 2020.jpg? Suggestions to change any image of it? − Allice Hunter   (Inbox)  23:33, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I think it looks good, however I would possibly try to find a more recent Parliament Hill image as its from 2005. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  18:00, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I looked for several images on Commons and Flickr, but I couldn't find a better Parliament Hill image. I can send a new version of the montage file if you find a better image. − Allice Hunter   (Inbox)  18:06, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * How about this one? ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  18:08, 25 May 2020 (UTC) DSC00204 - Parliament Hill (36822811190).jpg
 * In my opinion, the image from 2005 has better quality. − Allice Hunter   (Inbox)  18:11, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah I agree. As there is not really any visible difference in between the years, I don't see it being that big of a deal. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  18:16, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree. − Allice Hunter   (Inbox)  18:17, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The image being added to the article is not the one discussed on this page. 50.101.52.94 (talk) 03:02, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, consensus was never reached, so do not change the image until it has. Thank you! 50.101.52.94 (talk) 03:47, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Per WP:EDITCONSENSUS, absence of objections can assume consensus. Allice's montage has stood in place for a month in the article without any sort of disputes or objections. Then one day you came along rambling over some nonsense about "this is not the image that was discussed" and blah blah blah – as a matter of fact, that was the image/montage that was discussed. You literally made no sense whatsoever. Furthermore, the course of action you took is by all means unacceptable. If you wanted to contest the current montage, you should've came here calmly and listed all the logical reasons why your preferred version would be the best fit for the article, instead of diving straight into nonsensical personal attacks. ɴᴋᴏɴ21 ❯❯❯  talk  04:36, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Suspected sock puppetry at play
Way to go, folks, it appears you may have awoken community-banned UrbanNerd! Personal attacks and incivility are trademarks. blocked UrbanNerd in 2013. Has been IP-sockhopping ever since. I see has since temporarily blocked the IP. Suggest you folks consider requesting a new SPI. Another suspected IP address was recently used to be belligerent with a few months ago over some edits. I can't recall what article it was at. Could have been this article, or at Toronto. Regardless, it was one of UrbanNerd's old stomping grounds. Hwy43 (talk) 05:22, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I am almost certain that this IP is a block evasion from Gizapink, who participated in the discussion back in May. Has there ever been any investigations involving the relation between Giza and this so called Urban Nerd? ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  05:37, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Nope, but edit history at Ottawa, Golden Horseshoe and other Ottawa/Ontario articles will show obvious overlaps between the two and even at articles like Equalization payments in Canada and National Arts Centre show editing overlaps. UrbanNerd is also a rail transit enthusiast so this edit aligns with past editing interests. Most telling is Gizapink's 16th and 19th edits related to the montage that UrbanNerd spearheaded 10 years ago in 2010. I think this all but confirms who this is. So at this point we have Gizapink, this IP address, and another one edit-warring related with Mattximus to add to the tally for a new SPI. Hwy43 (talk) 06:42, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree, the quacking is loud here. I keep an eye out for UrbanNerd socks from time to time and I'd say Gizapink is definitely one. Canterbury Tail talk 12:59, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * This is ridiculous. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  06:47, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , Just saw this and quite literally just suggested the same thing to . SPI may be in order for sure. Glen 07:51, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Found the other IP that I noticed two months back. See 50.101.52.133. Hwy43 (talk) 07:16, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

GA nomination
What do my fellow wikipedians think? Is Ottawa ready to be submitted? Unbeatable101 (talk) 19:09, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I concur that this probably now meets Good Article criteria, and its been 10 years since it was last nominated. Happy to hear any pushback on this idea by March 1, 2022, or I will put the nomination process up (if someone else wants to do so earlier, happier to see that too. Kwkintegrator (talk) 19:50, 12 February 2022 (UTC) Following up, I have done so Kwkintegrator (talk) 18:31, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Sustainability
I am adding a sustainability section. If anyone wishes to participate or help clean up and streamline other sections there is a discussion at the Canadian Wikipedians noticeboard regarding this project. It is a multi-city effort where we will be doing the same for other cities in Canada. TheKevlar 20:31, 7 July 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkevlar (talk • contribs)
 * Ok as long as its not a wish list of future policies that may or may not happen WP:CRYSTALBALL..-- Moxy -Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 21:46, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sustainability is not a section expected at community articles according to WP:CCSG. If you want to start doing this across Canadian communities, I suggest you start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Canadian communities/Structure guideline and place a notice of said discussion here, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Canadian communities, and at Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board to catch a wider audience. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 07:58, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment 2022
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 12 January 2022 and 22 April 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Peer reviewers: Monaf9. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkbolt21 (talk • contribs) 18:48, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Nickname(s)
I believe we can include more nicknames. All citations are provided on the linked page, as just having "Bytown" as the sole nickname is quite a short list and I believe we should include more, such that they remain consistent with other Canadian cities such as Montreal or Winnipeg. Ifrenkel (talk) 22:14, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
 * You would need appropriate citations here to indicate that the entries you propose including are indeed nicknames. Airport codes, area codes etc are not automatically nicknames, without sourcing to back that up. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:31, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Been over this many times.....no junk media push names. Should we check other articles for media local junk names? Moxy -Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 01:49, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I too disagree with the usage of that Narcity article due to it being media garbage, but as I stated in my other comment — it is very difficult to source citations for nicknames. Ifrenkel (talk) 02:03, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I found great difficulty finding those citations for nicknames, as they are mostly informal and or unofficial. But they are commonly enough by Ottawans to refer to the city that it would be a mistake excluding them. An example would be "OTT" — every Ottawa Senators game scoreboard features that three letter abbreviation, but it is not official in any regard nor will you find anything concrete that refers to Ottawa as "OTT" officially. I feel this isn't the matter of "backing it up" and yes it may go against WP policy, but I feel this is a matter of collecting the nicknames that are commonly used, such as the IATA airport code and listing them for public reference. Making those edits, I was mostly inspired by Montreal's list of nicknames, and seeing how they got WP:GA status without backing up the fact that "MTL" refers to Montreal should be a testament that we shouldn't need to explain or back up the fact that "OTT" stands for Ottawa. It's common sense. Ifrenkel (talk) 02:01, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * They are hard to find because they are not commonly recognizable names ....see WP:COMMONNAME,,,Montreal and others should be fixed///they sneak in all the time....list of junk names is huge READ ME!!! Moxy -Maple Leaf (Pantone).svg 02:07, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Forgive me for my short presence on this site, but I can see edits as far back as 2015 defending those nicknames, which are simply abbreviations / airport codes / area codes. Wouldn't that be enough anecdotal history to allow or even promote something like that in other cities? "The 514" is not criteria under WP:COMMONNAME, yet it has stood the test of time and local Montrealites and Canadians alike understand that reference to the 514 is synonymous with Montreal. I believe "The 613" and "OTT" fall under that same category. Ifrenkel (talk) 02:23, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
 * An abbreviation isn't a nickname. If you believe OTT is more than just an abbreviation, then yes, you need sourcing to support that. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:13, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Rideau Hall's official residents
I notice we describe Rideau Hall as the official residence of the viceroy (i.e. the governor general). Shouldn't we also include the Canadian monarch as an official resident? That's what we do at the Rideau Hall page. GoodDay (talk) 13:28, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Not certain. But I think somebody deleted Rideau Hall, from the page. GoodDay (talk) 01:16, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Aerial photos
I did a partial revert of todays addition of numerous aerial photos. While the photos are good and replace some dated images, eight aerial photos in one article is excessive. 2605:8D80:543:EFDB:5482:A2D:9DA8:E064 (talk) 01:16, 19 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Personally, I don't see the problem. They are high quality and recent photos. ɴᴋᴏɴ21  ❯❯❯  talk  01:23, 19 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Show me another Canadian city article on Wikipedia with +8 aerial photos. Some of them aren’t even improvements such as the TD Place aerial. Humans don’t experience cities floating above them, it is not a accurate description of the city. A few makes sense, but there was WAY too many. 2605:8D80:543:EFDB:5482:A2D:9DA8:E064 (talk) 01:29, 19 September 2022 (UTC)