Talk:Otto Frederick Hunziker

dates
Please drop me a line if you don't know how to fix them. Probably international format is more appropriate (MOSNUM has a guideline for the selection). They were displaying wrongly to our readers before autoformatting was removed, too. Tony  (talk)  09:06, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Tony, thanks. It took me a little while to find MOSNUM. I note from MOSNUM: So I tried to follow the above for the article body text and used the international format. If I missed something, please let me know.--Rpclod (talk) 15:11, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "Dates in article body text should all have the same format";
 * The full month name should be used (I was using the genealogy convention of three letters);
 * "The linking of dates purely for the purpose of autoformatting is now deprecated. * * * The resulting links are normally to lists of historical trivia which have little or nothing to do with the subject of the article. The use of these formatting tools therefore tends to produce overlinked articles." This is further discussed in the "date debate".

September 5 Stylistic Changes
I am confused about the changes made on September 5.

1. Other editors previously changed hyphens to en dashes and em dashes. On September 5, many or all of these were changed back to hyphens. Why do these keep getting changed back and forth? While I sincerely appreciate the efforts of all the editors, the previous editing&mdash;not the most current&mdash;appears to reflect the MOS:
 * Hyphens indicate conjunction (e.g., creating compound words).
 * En dashes indicate disjunction (e.g., to or through a range) or separate data within points.
 * Em dashes set apart clauses (similar to parantheses).

2. Dates were changed to include links. MOSNUM states: "The linking of dates purely for the purpose of autoformatting is now deprecated. * * * The resulting links are normally to lists of historical trivia which have little or nothing to do with the subject of the article. The use of these formatting tools therefore tends to produce overlinked articles." (See also "date debate".) The September 5 changes appear to be inconsistent with this direction.

I tend to focus more on substantive content and do not profess to be a stylist. Hence, I may not fully understand the nuances or recent changes.--Rpclod (talk) 13:29, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I was contacted about this via email and asked to comment about the recent changes. You are correct, Rpclod, that the added autoformatted links should be removed because they are now depreciated.  As for the dashes, I think you will see that user:Koavf only changed the formatting, but the correct dashes do appear; page and year ranges still use en dashes and clauses are separated by em dashes, but instead of using "ndash;" or "mdash;", respectively, the article now uses "–" or "—".  Either format is fine, as it has the same result in the article.  I cannot see any incorrect usage of hyphens in the article; it's a small difference, but "–" is not the same as "-".  It may look that way while editing, which is why why some users prefer simply writing out the en dash and em dash codes: it's easier to tell when you've made a mistake. :)  I hope this helps. María ( habla  con migo ) 17:29, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello I was also alerted (thanks, by the way): all I did was convert HTML to Unicode using a script. I was not aware that date linking is deprecated (! and ? - I'll have to look into this.) See WP:DASH for more on hyphens/ems/ens/minus signs/etc. Please post on my talk if I'm needed. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:50, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * María and Justin, thank you. I saw what seemed to be oscillation between different editors and did not realize that the dash changes were merely to unicode.  To my untrained eyes, I thought dashes were reverting to hyphens.  My sincere thanks for the work that you and other editors do.--Rpclod (talk) 03:21, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

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