Talk:Ottoman Bulgaria

Oppression against the Bulgarian population
I would like to ask the author whom wrote this section (Oppression against the Bulgarian population): what is your source to state all these things? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Varg (talk • contribs)


 * I guess it's the same author who claims such things as the genocide.  /FunkyFly.talk _   02:26, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I take this article as true. This is the historic fact in the history of all the orthodox countries occupied by the turks. The same thing happened in the romanian parts controlled by the Ottoman Empire. There are unnumbered sources for this affirmations. But the most are published in books written in Romania and Bulgaria. D39 05:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC)D39D39 05:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Please don't insert nonsensical dispute sections in the article. Asking for sources is also unwarranted - it's like asking for sources that the Second World War actually happened. If you are so interested though please read the pamphlets of William Gladstone, Eugene Skyler, and Constantine Irechek. There are plenty of Bulgarian historians who have examined the issue in detail, but I can tell that you are not Bulgarian and wouldn't know the language. Still, the book "Under the Yoke" is in English (by Ivan Vazov) - don't think they have a movie out yet - but you can certainly read it. Of course if you have any sources whatsoever that there were no Ottoman atrocities (or the Second World War) did not in fact take place, please share them. And abstain from making ridiculous disputes. -Jo

Varg is from Turkey... Ha Ha -Mark

Yes, there are infinite sources on this topic, the so called devshirme, or "blood tax". There are many books, not only historical, but as Jo mentioned, also works of art, that proof the existence of devshirme. The events that took place in 15-18 century on the Balkans are recognized and confirmed not only by many western historians, but also by historians from the Soviet, Bulgaria and even Turkey. Here are some sources on this topic:

TAX IN BLOOD by many sources

SOME PROBLEMS OF THE RELIGIOUS HISTORY OF BULGARIA By Iona Sarieva

The Balkans - History

UNDER OTTOMAN DOMINATION by Dimiter Markovski

and one specially for Varg, in turkish, 

I don't think talk page should exist, as there is a wikipedia article about Devshirme

Devshirmeh

-Dieselboy

Here is a quote by William Gladstone, "Bulgarian Horrors and the Questions of the East":

"Let the Turks now carry away their abuses, in the only possible manner, namely, by carrying off themselves. Their Zaptiehs and their Mudirs, their Bimbashis and Yuzbachis, their Kaimakans and their Pashas, one and all, bag and baggage, shall, I hope, clear out from the province that they have desolated and profaned. This thorough riddance, this most blessed deliverance, is the only reparation we can make to those heaps and heaps of dead, the violated purity alike of matron and of maiden and of child; to the civilization which has been affronted and shamed; to the laws of God, or, if you like, of Allah; to the moral sense of mankind at large. There is not a criminal in an European jail, there is not a criminal in the South Sea Islands, whose indignation would not rise and over-boil at the recital of that which has been done, which has too late been examined, but which remains unavenged, which has left behind all the foul and all the fierce passions which produced it and which may again spring up in another murderous harvest from the soil soaked and reeking with blood and in the air tainted with every imaginable deed of crime and shame. That such things should be done once is a damning disgrace to the portion of our race which did them; that the door should be left open to the ever so barely possible repetition would spread that shame over the world."

-SK


 * This really doesn't take account on NPOV. Every single source that I see here is from a Christian reference. Obviously, whether true or not, they will defend what they think has happened. Like I said, true or not. Anyways, why don't you find some references written by a Muslim? -- WiiVolve 18:28, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Certainly not. Especially from Turkish sources. This also applies to Bulgarian sources. Taking information from sources from affected sides is not wise for things are severely altered. Turkish student books tell how friendly the Ottoman Turks were back than and how they (more or less) conquered almost all the Balkans with a smiles and kisses. Armenian genocide, Bulgarian oppression etc. never happened. Go to Batak [] and walk right into the church there, where people were defending themselves and were burned inside along with the building. We are talking about the remaining bones of men, women and children. This you cannot read about in Turkish books because this "never happened". This applies to the whole world's history - winners and oppressors write history as the see fit. Best sources are from people, who were not affected both directly and indirectly. There are some Bulgarian and Turkish historians, who magically remain neutral and list the facts as they are. It is however really hard to find such and to prove that they are indeed neutral. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rbaleksandar (talk • contribs) 04:25, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Why this article equals Rumelia province????
Bulgarian lands and Rumelia eyalet were NOT the same thing during all the Ottoman rule.193.200.14.179 (talk) 06:58, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Negative perspectives
Im sorry to see thatb there are very negative and on sided perspectives depicted here of Ottoman rule in Bulgaria, and the Balkans in general. The writing of history is a complex business and there should at least be an attempt in these Wikipedia articles to display a basic balance/neutrality. That is certainly not evident in the article, not most of the above comments. A sad situation indeed. 39.54.228.197 (talk) 05:33, 12 October 2013 (UTC)Ali Murtaza
 * Please, improve it, then. Jingiby (talk) 06:17, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Ottoman era in the history of Saudi Arabia which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 23:31, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Ottoman Bulgaria
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Ottoman Bulgaria's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Koyuncu1": From Bulgarian Turks:  From Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878):  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT ⚡ 16:25, 10 May 2023 (UTC)