Talk:Ottoman Caliphate/Archive 1

1516 establishments
I added the category of 1516 establishments; in 1516 Selim I conquered Mecca, Medina, and took the title of caliph from Al-Mutawakkil III.--71.108.4.128 (talk) 21:17, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Needed Correction of the Link
in the text of the article: "Two Indian brothers, Maulana Muhammad Ali..." the link of 'Maulana Muhammad Ali' is linked to the wrong Muhammad Ali: correctly it should be linked to 'Maulana Muhammad Ali Jauhar' who was part of the Khilafat Movement, while currently it is linked to the wrong person of the same name who was not a part of the Khilafat Movement: 'Maulana Muhammad Ali Lahori'. Please correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.181.167.165 (talk) 08:44, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

NPOV
Distinct bias towards the caliphate and against Kemal. --125.253.96.70 (talk) 17:24, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Abolition
This section is confused. There should be a clear sequence from sometime 1920 to sometime 1924 --even if the lead sentence refers to 1923.

After consulting Government of the Grand National Assembly and the biographies of the last two caliphs I inserted year 1923 near the top and the parenthetical "(November 1922)". But there are jumps between Istanbul and Ankara and back and forth to 1920. My hidden comments may help someone who knows the history rewrite this. --P64 (talk) 19:20, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Picture
The picture in the top-right corner does not match the territory that the Ottoman caliphate covered. In particular, Istanbul, the seat of the Caliphate is part of the grey area. I think this should be replaced with a picture that shows the fullest extent of the Ottoman caliphate. Stephen Howe (talk) 18:00, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

That's because that picture shows the original Caliphate and it's territorial expansion. Note also that 'Caliph' is a religious title like 'Pope' or 'Patriarch', and thus their spiritual authority would extend beyond any national borders, especially in the case of the Ottoman Caliphate, the Ottoman Caliph being in theory the Head of all Sunni Muslims until 1924.JWULTRABLIZZARD (talk) 08:27, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

I understand the situation, but agree with Stephen Howe that it is very confusing to show that image in this article, when the Ottoman Caliphate never covered that territory. In addition to having areas that the Ottoman Caliphate did not control, it's also missing a lot of the territory that the Caliphate did control. The "religious authority" argument doesn't cover Shi'a Islam. --Dylan Thurston (talk) 15:56, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Ottoman use of Caliphate title to aid the Americans against other Muslims
The Ottoman Sultan Abdul Hamid II, after being approached by American minister to Turkey, Oscar Straus (politician), sent a letter to the Moros of the Sulu Sultanate telling them not to resist American takeover and cooperate with the Americans at the start of the Moro Rebellion in 1898. The Sulu Moros complied with the order.

http://books.google.com/books?id=PvVlS3ljx20C&pg=PA235&dq=Pleased+sultan+Philippines+khalif+Sulu+chiefs+understanding&hl=en&sa=X&ei=sGYZU4-EC-vC0AGgmYGgDg&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Pleased%20sultan%20Philippines%20khalif%20Sulu%20chiefs%20understanding&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=PvVlS3ljx20C&pg=PA235&dq=Straus+Sulu+Ottoman&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cmQZU8hTpvDRAebrgJgM&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Straus%20Sulu%20Ottoman&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=S5q7qxi5LBgC&pg=PA397&dq=Straus+Sulu+Ottoman&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cmQZU8hTpvDRAebrgJgM&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Straus%20Sulu%20Ottoman&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=zOLE6zY-AewC&pg=PA22&dq=Straus+Sulu+Ottoman&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cmQZU8hTpvDRAebrgJgM&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Straus%20Sulu%20Ottoman&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=2mRXt7NtFhEC&pg=PA159&dq=Straus+Sulu+Ottoman&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cmQZU8hTpvDRAebrgJgM&ved=0CEQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Straus%20Sulu%20Ottoman&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=pc5FAQAAQBAJ&pg=PA204&dq=Straus+Sulu+Ottoman&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cmQZU8hTpvDRAebrgJgM&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Straus%20Sulu%20Ottoman&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=hwdPWJMbZCQC&pg=PA358&dq=Straus+Sulu+Ottoman&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cmQZU8hTpvDRAebrgJgM&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=Straus%20Sulu%20Ottoman&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=e9vfAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA358&dq=Straus+Sulu+Ottoman&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cmQZU8hTpvDRAebrgJgM&ved=0CF8Q6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=Straus%20Sulu%20Ottoman&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=vDzjkrTDKjYC&pg=PA405#v=onepage&q&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=vDzjkrTDKjYC&pg=PA406&dq=Abdulhamid+issued+decree+people+territory+support+America+Muslim+accepted&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2GYZU6m3IonU0QHHmoCQAw&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Abdulhamid%20issued%20decree%20people%20territory%20support%20America%20Muslim%20accepted&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 20:09, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Where were the final Caliph and his family exiled to
And does the family line still exist - is there a pretender to the Caliphate? Ender&#39;s Shadow Snr (talk) 23:58, 14 August 2014 (UTC)