Talk:Ottoman wars in Europe/Archive 1

Contradictory
We need a source for the comment "In 1482, Bosnia was completely added to Ottoman Lands. Bosnians did not complain about being under Ottoman Sovereignty because there was already a sectarian conflict going in Bosnia, and because Mehmed II gave converters to Islam a tax break".

This quote goes against the rest of the article since only a few paragraphs before it says "However, resistance continued throughout the country, mostly in the north and west, so that the Ottomans were only able to install their first administration, called Eyalet of Bosnia in 1527". -- barababa — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barababa (talk • contribs) 19:00, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Improvement Drive
The article History of the Balkans has been listed to be improved on This week's improvement drive. You can add your vote there if you would like to support the article.--Fenice 17:18, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Proposed Merge
I think "History of Russo-Turkish wars" is not general enough to be inclusive. I oppose merging. Tom Harrison Talk 12:36, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. 12.220.94.199 00:52, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree. Some issues between Ottoman Empire and Russia is unique to them; which needs its own article.--OttomanReference 07:20, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Disagree. I think that most of the material in the "Russo-Turkish wars" already includes other important battles and that the "Russo-Turkish Wars" be made part of the "Ottoman Wars in Europe" USer Woody Woodruff

I disagree
I do not think these two subjects should be merged since the Russian Wars were seperate to those fought vs the rest of Europe.

It would be folly to merge the two. The Austrians were fighting the Ottomans before the Russians. The Russians were primarily on the offensive, whilst the Austrians on the defensive. Besides, the European-Turk wars began well before the Fall of Constantinople, let alone the formation of Russia!

The Ottoman siege of Malta, of the Island of Rhodes and the Naval Battles of Lepanto had nothing to do with Russia. Malta is a life time away from Russia.

If Turkey counts as part of Europe, what about all the battles between the Romans and the Ottomans in Anatolia? In Asia Minor? Believe me, no Tsar took part in those!

It would be like merging the Thirty years war in Europe with the First world War. They have a very loose link, and around the same battle front, but they should not be merged!

I think there is much more detail to the European wars then is said in this article. Keep it seperate for now.

Venice, Rhodes, Crete, Bulgaria, Serbia, MALTA.
Need I say more? I suppose Venice is a part of Russia then?

DONT MERGE THEM!

How many Turks Dracula's armies killed...
"It is not known exactly how many Turks Dracula's armies and their allies in battle killed throughout the span of his career, but it is estimaded to have been as high as one hundred thousand." This sentence will be removed because it is intentionally abasing the dignity of a nation. Lysandros 18:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I protest at the removal. What nation, are we exactly 'debasing'? The fact is, the Turks were unstoppable, and no man with such little military or financial resources could defeat such an army. Dracula was the man's nickname. I really see no point in its removal. War is war. You try to kill as many of the enemy as possible. The enemy for Dracula happened to be the Turks. He killed many, good for him, bad for the Turks and such is war.

1462-1483: European campaigns
This small section of the article appears not up to the standard of the rest. For example: Did the Hungarian King imprison Vlad at the behest of Fatih II as is suggested? Who was Fatih II? Is he the same as the red-linked Fatih the Conqueror? This appears to contradict Vlad III the Impaler anyway. Also is "Bogdan" a place as implied here, or a person, as Vlad's article says? The grammar could use some work too. Cheers.  Mi re ma r e  14:40, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

The first Polish-ottoman war was 1444 battle of warna and the second 1492-1499 as these two wars had to been add —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.181.13.126 (talk) 16:02, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Serbian support and Serbian mercenaries ans castle-guards of the Ottoman Empire
The article didn't mention the Serbian support of Ottoman Empire from the late 15th century until the end of 17th century --Bagameriakiafagyit (talk) 09:14, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

POV
The results of these wars have nothing to do with Europe remaining Christian like it says says in the info box. 96.55.169.186 (talk) 19:22, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Commanders and leaders
James IV of Scotland? WTF!?--194.28.128.148 (talk) 02:36, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Russia is Europe
If you don't merge Russia and the European-Turkish wars at least include Russia in the belligerents here... It is completely senseless to write about Russia in the content but not in the belligerents and leaders info. Since when is Russia not part of Europe? If it is because Russia's first war with Turkey was in the mid 16th century then that's a weak excuse, when did Poland join in the wars? Not much different time then Russia. And it was a big part of the Holy League against Turkey. Need I to say more? --99.232.214.89 (talk) 06:24, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Kingdom of France, 1536–, on the Ottomans' side?
The stat boxes show that the Kingdom of France and the King of France were on the Ottomans' side from 1536 onward. There's nothing in the article that either (1) says what happened in 1536 to cause France to switch side or (2) substantiates the notion that France ever fought for or with the Ottomans, much less on a consistent basis fromo 1536 onward. Can someone please explain or remove the "1536" business in the stat boxes? Thank you. Holy (talk) 23:06, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

France signed a treaty with the Ottoman Empire at that time. There's a Wiki article about it Franco-Ottoman alliance

However, you're right in pointing out a lack of information within this article. Montalban (talk) 04:10, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

King James IV
In the box "Commanders and Leaders" is King James of Scotland.

Why is he there?

He's not mentioned in the article. Neither is Scotland, for that matter.

I've clicked on his link and searched both "Turk" and "Ottoman" and there's nothing there.

As a Scot I'd be fascinated to read his contribution to the wars against the Turks Montalban (talk) 04:01, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I've also found no connection between James IV and the Ottomans, so I've added a 'citation needed' tag to him in the infobox. King Philip V of Spain (talk) 11:43, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Armenians in topic introduction?
There are 3 paragraphs in introduction and one of them is about Armenians. I found it irrevelent since it is Ottoman wars in EUROPE212.252.30.122 (talk) 05:19, 9 June 2016 (UTC)turan

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Ottoman raids into Styria and Croatia
The source document does not provide this information anywhere, 11 83.71.21.81 (talk) 17:36, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Need rewrite the article
Hi, I think the article should be total rewritten, it is very messy, there are many duplicated info and many jumping in the timeline all the time. I think the problem is that the article list separatelely the countries and this cause the duplications. But this is unnecessary because there are subarticles like "Hungarian-Ottoman wars" and others. I think the article should be written in one timeline and not separated by countries, but rather separate the chapter by centuries. OrionNimrod (talk) 16:55, 8 April 2024 (UTC)