Talk:Our Lady of Seven Sorrows Cathedral, Suzhou

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Dedication
TheLonelyPather, I presume that the cathedral is dedicated to Our Lady of Seven Sorrows, do the Chinese references confirm this? As a start I have added Our Lady of Sorrows as a see also. TSventon (talk) 11:41, 29 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, the Chinese references generally use the alternate Chinese name "杨家桥天主堂" (Yangjiaqiao Catholic Church). However, the dedication is officially confirmed on the webpage of the Suzhou Government: : "Yang Jiaqiao Catholic Church, best known as Cathedral of Our Lady of the Seven Sorrows..." Hope this helps! TheLonelyPather (talk) 01:47, 30 January 2023 (UTC)


 * , thank you, I will leave Our Lady of Sorrows as a see also. Incidentally, according to Constitutiones Apostolicae the cathedral of Suzhou in 1949 was dedicated to St Joseph "Episcopi vero sedem in Soochow seu Wuhsien urbe figimus, et Antistitis cathedram in ecclesia inibi exstante et Deo in honorem S. Ioseph, Sponsi B. M. V., dicata constituimus."
 * Also I think the first priest was Joseph Deffond and P. is short for Père or Pater, see Google books link 1 "En venant de Chang - hai, nous avait écrit le P. Deffond , missionnaire du district de Sou - Tcheou" and Google books link 2 "Sibérie ( la ) poutonnaise . Un coin de la Mission du Kiangnan , P. Joseph DEFFOND" (article in Les Missions catholiques). The Chinese source in the article uses a Latin form, but en Wikipedia doesn't need to. TSventon (talk) 12:39, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, thank you for your great scholarship! I fixed the Joseph Deffond issue.
 * Speaking of the dedication... "in honorem S. Ioseph, Sponsi B. M. V." implies the church is built in honor of St. Joseph, with the Blessed Virgin Mary as its sponsor. How should I interpret this? My Latin got rusty! I will work on why the Vatican named the cathedral church to be St. Joseph's. It could be that this church was dedicated to St. Joseph at that time, or that there was another St. Joseph's Cathedral later destroyed. Again, many thanks, Tsventon. TheLonelyPather (talk) 00:54, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
 * TheLonelyPather, did you try Google translate? I got "But we fixed the seat of the bishop in the city of Soochow or Wuhsien, and we set up the seat of the Antichrist in the church standing there and dedicated to God in honor of St. Joseph, Spouse B. M. V.", which I found quite amusing. TSventon (talk) 01:32, 31 January 2023 (UTC)