Talk:Ouran High School Host Club/Archive 2

Fansites
Per WP: External Links, these should not be added to the article. Please desist in advertising. Thanks! Kyaa the Catlord 13:29, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Character bios
It is of my opinion that the short character bios preceeding the main characters' character descriptions are more than trivial information than what we really need to have in the article. Also, it's not usually standard to give this type of information in characters sections on Wikipedia (I've seen at least), so I am going to go ahead and delete them. -- (  十八  |   talk  ) 19:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I have just added the Zuka Club to the 'supporting characters' section; I thought they were at least as deserving of being mentioned as Nekozawa and Renge. I'm not so good with adding pictures - especially when I have none - or Japanese kanji. Is there anyone who can add these? Art is life and life is an art. 14:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I added the clubs section and a pic for each club, and I'll get to the kanji for Zuka next. -- (  十八  |   talk  ) 20:12, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Cool. Nice choice of pictures. Art is life and life is an art. 20:47, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I've added a brief piece on Kotoko Fujioka to the 'supporting characters' section. Do you guys think it's too much ...? And if not, could someone add the kanji and a picture?


 * I added her picture, but I don't know where to find the kanji for Kotoko. -- (  十八  |   talk  ) 02:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * They should be visible in the fansub of episode 19; there's a scene of Ranka and Kotoko (Haruhi inside) when Ranka is having a flashback. I can't read kanji myself, but the translation for the caption text said that's what it says.

Japanese Title
While glancing through the edit history, I found it interesting that a revert had been done with a comment that the previous user should learn to read katakana before making edits on the Japanese part of the pages. Not being the user in question who made the first change that got reverted, I can only speculate on how much they actually knew, but the change made (and then reverted) wasn't involved with katakana at all, as it was regarding the 部 in 桜蘭高校ホスト部, which is kanji.

Now, I'm not all that fluent in the language, but I've seen no record of 部 being *directly* romanized into kurabu. I have heard the characters use both hosuto-bu (ホスト部) and hosuto kurabu (ホストクラブ) at different times fairly interchangably, but the title of the anime itself uses the kanji. Is there a translation for the kanji that directly romanizes into kurabu that I'm not aware of? --81.86.155.150 22:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I've since figured out that the reason for this difference is due to the furigana used in both the anime and manga's titles, hence the confusion - the loanword kurabu isn't normally a given reading for the kanji. However, in the two episodes of the anime where ホスト部 is directly referenced in the episode title, Haruhi uses bu instead of kurabu when reading it aloud, so there is still a difference there.  What would be the suggested method to approach this, given the vocal reading of it in the anime versus the usage of kurabu in the romanization of 部 in all Ouran-related pages, including the Episode title list? --81.86.155.150 01:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'll be glad to clear this up for you. If you look at the image of the title of the anime given here, we see that above the kanji and to the left are a series of katakana characters. The last 3 of which spell out ku-ra-bu, hence why I stated the anon user learn to read katakana before editing the title again. -- (  十八  |   talk  ) 05:18, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, the furigana, as I noted later. The anon user seemed either familiar with kanji itself though or used one of the translations that was based on only the kanji - without the furigana as a guide, 'bu' would be the most accurate translation.  Knowing how to read katakana was not the problem there (unless the anon user did not translate it himself) - it would've been more helpful to actually point out the furigana.


 * This still leaves the episode titles though. While the official name of the series uses kurabu, the episode titles are being read out using the bu reading.  Would it not be an idea to follow suit there and translate the episode titles as Haruhi says they are?  It seems to me like the difference between the author's name of the series (Ōran Kōkō Hosuto Kurabu) and the characters' use when referring to the club (Hosuto Bu), and perhaps, since the romaji for the episode titles is given by Wikipedia, it would be better to use that. --81.86.155.150 10:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, sorry about changing things without commenting here first (I was the anon user) I remembered after reading through this section that they say the full club's name at the end of each next episode's preview.  Tamaki says "Ouran Koukou Hosuto Kurabu mo omachishite orimasu" so I have to change my mind and concede that even though it's written with the kanji for just 'bu', the official name may be Ouran Koukou Hosuto Kurabu.

Renge French Otaku
Hi. It says in the Episode listing that Renge is a "French Otaku". Does this mean that she is from France, or that she likes "French" things a lot? (Such as dressing as a GothLoli) --129.241.210.98 05:08, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

DavidJohns 07:55, 11 August 2006 (UTC)Actually she's Japanese. Her family just has lived in France for the past six years.

Is there real magic happening in the "dark magic club"?
I wondered if there is actually is magic happening in that manga, or do the members of that club only play around?


 * Still unknown in the anime. Nobody even knows for sure whether it has any members besides Nekozawa. Art is life and life is an art. 15:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, I believe in the manga the club is shown to have more than just one member, though I'll have to read more of the manga to confirm. As for the magic, it's probably all fake anyway. I mean, take Beelzenef for example - it's just a useless cat doll. -- (  十八  |   talk  ) 15:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

thank you for the answers! so i'm taking it like there COULD be magic, but it hasn't happened yet in the series.

IMO, it is magic. Since when did cat dolls change expressions?

Article size
Alright, so the article warning has been around for a while and the article is currently 38KB in length. I propose the split of the Characters section into it's own article much like other series have done in the past. -- (  十八  |   talk  ) 19:20, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No arguments here. Art is life and life is an art. 19:42, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree; a split would be very useful.  Ganryuu  ( talk )  12:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Episode 19's Insert Song
Hmm, after seeing the song title changed between 'Cry Baby' and 'Little Wing' a few times, here's a clarification: The song that Haruhi lip-syncs to is 'little wing'. See: http://question.excite.co.jp/kotaeru.php3?q=2332779 Atashi 14:44, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Why is the trivia in the Characters article
Hi. Just wondering why the trivia is in the Characters article. Is there a plan to move the info into the character biographies? --GunnarRene 06:33, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I have commented out all the trivia as per Avoid trivia sections in articles. It has been commented out so that it may be combined with other sections or removed altogether. --Squilibob 14:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

More clubs in Ouran
There's a Student Council in Ouran, appeared in the Central Salon race. The official known are Matsudaira Toshiyuki as the president and Kanan Mitsuyama as the secretary. And a football club, the president is Takeshi Kuze and two other members. I was thinking of adding these clubs and character to the character sections, but I think I need to discuss about it first there. Besides I do not have enough information about them. So, should I make a starting point? --Chiisa 4:11, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Anime Bias?
Umsies...#><# I'm so sorry..b-but I noticed lotsa times when reading this article that almost all information on characters, plot, clubs, everythingies come from the anime...like, it says how the Zuka Club is the Host Club's archenemy, but in the manga this is actually cleared up at the end and they're friends ><;; I'm so sorry if I'm bothering everyone, but I think that peoples should have a balanced view of the story...^.^;; if people don't like the neutral thingy on the main page please delete it if you want #><# I only put it there to draw attention, I just want to know if other peoples think that this is a problem, 'cause I think it is #><# I'm so sorry...!
 * First of all, sign your comments by writting ~ . Second, if you know of a bias, then include the information from the manga to correct it. Otherwise the vast majority of fans of this series haven't read the manga series so do not know of the differences. -- (  十八  |   talk  ) 05:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * a-ah! #><# s-sorry..I forgot...and I mean w-well...here's some differences
 * One of the biggest differences in the Manga and Anime is Hunny's actual capabilities in fighting, as he is actually not as ridiculously powerful as he is in the anime in the manga. This is only in the anime that Hunny can destroy an entire country, I think it should be noted that it's not this way in the manga and that he is just a 'junior master of martial arts'.
 * I'm not really sure if anyone has noticed this but Haruhi's personality seems a little more extreme in the anime than in the manga, as in, she seems a little more serious in the anime. I'm not sure if it's just my perspective of it, but that's what I always thought.
 * The Zuka Club are the Host Club's 'arch rival' for a while, but at the end of the chapter/episode when they capture Haruhi, it is revealed that they become friends with the Host Club and everyone is invited to their real show, in which Ranka-san (Haruhi's father) is touched so much emotionally that he pleads to join the Zuka Club, himself.
 * The article on Tamaki's father, Yuzuru Suoh-sama, says that he's a bit cold to Tamaki and does not like him as a student, but this is almost immediately revealed in the manga that it's merely "juvenile mischief" and he loves to pick on Tamaki just to annoy him, when he truly loves him as a son and student.
 * In the anime it states that Ranka-san "'was originally' bisexual", but in the manga Ranka-san is said to be completely bisexual and still bisexual, but prefers men because he does not want to fall in love with another woman.


 * j-justs a few...#><#..I'm so sorry...I just thought this should be talked abouts...
 * SnuggleBunny 07:28, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Music/other
There was a recent edit that replaced an unknown piano piece played by Tamaki in Episode 24, 25, and 26 with Chopin's "Nocturne in E-flat Major, Op 9, No 2". There is no mistaking that the two pieces sound similar, however unless there is additional information revealing an intentional rearrangement of Chopin's piece, or artistic interpretation, this assumption seems erroneous. The two compositions are still significantly different. Yvonne 68.35.143.101 23:56, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Unless you can give us an example of how the pieces are different, and/or tell us what the piece is, Nocturne in E-flat Major is all we have to go by. We can say that it just sounds like it, if you're really that opposed to us claiming it to be the piece in question, but again, we have nothing either way at this point. Nique1287 22:45, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

In Chopin's composition, the intro consists of chord progressions played by the left hand; in contrast, the piece played by Tamaki in episode 24 uses arpeggios. There are several other differences, such as the use of trills, and asending/descending chromatic scales. The second "movement" or section of both pieces bear no resemblance to each other. But I will still agree that there are similarities in melody and the fact that they're both written in triple meter. If you get a chance, google Chopin and listen to a midi file. Yvonne 68.35.143.101 23:56, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, the page currently says that they just sound similar, anyway. (Also, just a little note: Please sign your talk page entries when you make them. There's even a note at the top of the edit page for talk pages that asks you to do this and explains how. Thanks!) Nique1287 15:52, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I haven't registered still. After corresponding with the music composer for the series, I have been told that the music was written in a parody style of favorite classics, such as Chopin; thus, the similarities appear. Hope that helps.

As a side note, the piece played by Tamaki in Episode 24,25,26 was composed after the soundtrack had been compiled and released on CD and not included. It is currently untitled, and there is no further information whether it will be available as media in the future. Source: Yoshihisa Hirano, personal communication, December 13, 2006. Yvonne 23:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Too much redundancy
There's too much redundancy in this article. The manga, anime and drama cds are introduced twice in the same way. The plot and setting was included twice (originally the setting was a lot further down but I have moved it up) and parts of the characters is repeated. I've done my best to clean it up with wrecking the section formatting but a lot of stuff may need merging. --Squilibob 14:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Romanizations
It seems like there are "two" official sets of romanizations for character names:
 * Used by VIZ Media and Chuang Yi in English-language manga productions - I.E. Kyoya Ohtori
 * Used by NTV for the Japanese-language website

I feel like the former is MORE appropriate, since the Japanese English names tend to only be used as window dressing for a Japanese language site, while the English names are functionally used in publications in English-speaking countries.

But, BOTH sets must be mentioned and detailed in the articles. WhisperToMe 22:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * In some cases, it's better to use the original/an original-language source rather than the translation, because it more closely parallels the creator's intentions for the names. VIZ (among other companies) has been known in the past for getting names wrong (Death Note is a good example of such) when compared with the names that the creator had in mind for the characters. As such, in this case I feel that we should use the NTV romanizations exclusively in the text of any articles that mention the characters, and mention the alternate spellings on the Characters page, as has already been done.


 * Also, there are only two names that are in question here at all, as far as I can tell: Ohtori versus Ootori, and Suoh versus Suou. The names aren't so terribly different that nobody will know who the article is talking about if we use one or the other, and it seems silly and pedantic to me to argue and go this far over two letters. Nique talk 23:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The issue is not what best represents the creator's intentions, but what BEST represents and portrays the subject to an English-language audience. In terms of many (not all) anime series, that precisely means using dubbed names. Representing the original intentions is best left to the article body. Now, keep in mind that the Japanese anime site does not represent the original author's preference either, as Ouran was originally a manga written by Bisco Hatori. The names seen seem to represent Nippon TV's preferences instead of Hatori's anyway. And, alluding to your point: "The names aren't so terribly different that nobody will know who the article is talking about if we use one or the other" - Then using the VIZ romanizations does NOT undermine the author's efforts. Nique, people sweat a LOT over naming disputes on Wikipedia :) WhisperToMe 00:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, I might add that "VIZ (among other companies) has been known in the past for getting names wrong (Death Note is a good example of such) " - Are you referring to Light Yagami? If so, I believe his romanized name, in the Japanese version, is supposed to be Light. WhisperToMe 00:18, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, for the Death Note thing, I was referring to Gelus (which is what VIZ translated "Jealous" ジェラス to) as well as Ray (as opposed to Raye). The main character's name was, and is, supposed to be Light. (One of my biggest pet peeves in that fandom is people who still use Raito, as the early scanslations did, but that's another story entirely.) As for the representing it to an English audience, why then use any but the Hepburn which is most widely accepted (including by Wikipedia) as official? Which means that we should still use Ootori and Suou. (Also, while I continue to assume good faith, your use of smiling emoticons makes me wonder at your intentions, and whether you're patronizing me or not taking this seriously.) Nique talk 00:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, that's a different matter. Anyway, as for the names "Suou" and "Ootori" represent Wapuro romaji instead of ANY of the three standard forms of Hepburn; the LOC version would render the names Suō and Ōtori, respectively. Suoh and Ohtori are examples of "Passport Hepburn," a variant allowed by the Japanese Government on passports (the government allows "lack of indication of long vowels, i.e. Sato, and Passport Hepburn, i.e. Satoh) - If I did not take this debate seriously, I would not be present. WhisperToMe 01:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Extended "o" vowels in Hepburn are typically romanized, when not to a macron, as "oo" as in "Ootori", or "ou" as in "Suou", are they not? Either way, I maintain that since the NTV site is in Japanese and thus is more likely to reflect the Hatori's intentions, unless there was a romanization in the original Japanese manga, we should use Suou and Ootori. If you still disagree, we should leave the discussion until other editors can give their reasoning and opinions, because a consensus can't be formed by two people unless one of them changes their mind, and there are other people who edit these articles as well. Either way, I've given my rationale, and am done with this discussion, and until progress toward a consensus is made either way (i.e. other editors give their opinions and an agreement can be made), I'm leaving the discussion, and continuing to maintain the Suou and Ootori names on the pages. Nique talk 01:47, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * For now, the discussion about Ouran should be paused. But, if you do not mind, I will discuss romanization in general in your talk page. WhisperToMe 05:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I also agree that the NTV romanizations should be preferred and used, since it is indeed one of the official websites and thus more likely to reflect Hatori's intentions. ··· 巌流 ? · Talk to Gan ryuu 02:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd say go with NTV, mainly because a) it's what the subs use and b) it looks better. --Principessa 02:01, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Second Season?
In the article, in the Anime section under Media, it says "Host club season two will hit stores on april 2007 (sic)." There should really be a link directing to an announcement that indicates this, because this is the first place I've ever even seen mention a second season for the anime itself. Can someone shed some light on this for me? Yeahjesse 20:37, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No idea how THAT slipped in there, but it's completely false. The story wrapped up at the end of the first season, there are no plans for a second as far as I know. I've gone ahead and removed it, unless someone has a source for the second season info. Besides, it would air before it went to stores, unless it was an OVA or something. Nique talk 20:45, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I personally don't know for sure, but I have heard that the second season MIGHT be seen on TV sometime late this year, around fall. I really do hope that they continue the anime, I haven't gotten a chance to see the manga. You don't have to buy it, they do have the episodes for the first season on YouTube. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OrangeFoxFetish (talk • contribs)


 * Again, unless you have a reliable source for it, it can't be posted here. Also, the episodes being up on YouTube constitutes copyright infringement and we shouldn't encourage it here. Nique talk 16:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Youtube is deleting all the anime.There is NOT a second season but there is a petition. Here is the website if you want a second season Mooncrest 19:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Guitar riff at the end of some episodes
Directly before Shissou, in episodes 3,5, and 10, among others, is a guitar riff (it also appears in the final episode). Does anyone have any idea what this is/where it comes from? I've seen speculation that it's part of Shissou, but no released version of Shissou includes it. Faendryl 04:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Character Image Songs
I'm wondering why info on the image songs haven't been added yet. If it is, would it be under a 'Music' section in the main article or... not? 69.182.209.95 15:41, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

US License?
Any word of the anime being licensed in the US? Heeroyuy135 08:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Not yet, though it's only a matter of time since the manga has been licensed for years now.--  十  八  08:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I only heard rumors that they were planning on dubbing the anime in the state but I highly doubt it'll get on tv what with all the brotherly love scenes. But no American dubbers can ever do it as greatly as Bones does, that's a fact. They screwed up Cardcaptor Sakura, Fruits Baskets, and countless other animes so my hopes wouldn't be high.

The only show I've seen that has voices that actually fit the characters and may be close to the original japanese version are Yu Yu Hakusho (their Yusuke was much more caring and lighthearted) and Naruto (the voices are pretty close and they pronounce the names right). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.111.154.25 (talk) 22:38, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a forum... WhisperToMe (talk) 01:31, 20 April 2008 (UTC)