Talk:Outline of Vatican City

Tips for developing country outlines
Instructions for developing country outlines is located at Outlines (while that section is complete, the page is a draft, and will be moved to the Wikipedia namespace when completed). [[User talk:The Transhumanist| 21:45, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

A note concerning redlinks...
Many of the entries (and their links) are standard across all of the country outlines, to aid readers, especially young readers, in comparing countries to each other.

So if this country doesn't have any of a particular entry, like navies, please don't delete the entry. Instead, complete it with "none" (and a brief explanation as to why, for example, "- x is a landlocked country with no ports"). If the explanation exists in an article on Wikipedia, then click on the redlink and create a redirect to that location. See Redirect, WP:Section linking, and Help:Section.

Standard redlinks (article names) were also chosen based on how country coverage tipically expands. This makes the standard names for these subtopics widely available and easily accessible. So please do not remove those redlinks, for they will turn blue eventually. In the meantime, they can be redirected to the section of whatever article has the relevant information, if any. See Redirect, WP:Section linking, and Help:Section.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 21:45, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: To discuss the standard design of the country outlines, or of outlines in general, do so on the Outline of knowledge WikiProject talk page.

Guidelines for outlines
Guidelines for the development of outlines are being drafted at Outlines.

Your input and feedback is welcomed and encouraged.

The Transhumanist' 21:45, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Please check and fix the government section
The government section needs to be checked for accuracy. The initial data placed in the government branches sections was generated by template, and the data didn't fit all countries.

So those sections need to be looked over, and fixed if needed.

Please help.

Thank you.

The Transhumanist 21:45, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

P.S.: If you'd like to help out with other tasks concerning Wikipedia's Outline of knowledge, please drop me a note on my talk page.

Boundaries
In this article (and others) it is clearly stated that Vatican City is an enclave within the city of Rome. Yet this article states also "Vatican City lies next to the Borgo district in Rome."

Does this imply that Vatican City is within the Borgo district, since no other districts are mentioned, or truly "next to" Borgo and no others, in which case it would also be "next to " Rome. The CIA map of Vatican City (in Commons) shows urban areas to the west and east of Vatican City marked as Rome, but the definitive map from Annex 1 of the 1929 Lateran Treaty (also in Commons) does not clarify the matter. Any ideas? Thanks. --TraceyR (talk) 14:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * OK. In the following publication I have found what must be a definitive statement:


 * Title: The Status of the Vatican City


 * Author: Herbert Wright


 * Reference: The American Journal of International Law, Vol. 38, No. 3 (Jul., 1944), pp. 452-457
 * (article consists of 6 pages)


 * Published by: American Society of International Law


 * The relevant page (452) can be seen here. It states: "'The liberation of Rome by the Allied forces on June 4, 1944, has served to focus attention on the legal status of the State of the Vatican City, a 108-acre enclave within the city of Rome'."That's good enough for me. --TraceyR (talk) 08:10, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Size ranking
This article says VC is the 234th largest country over all, but it links to List of countries and outlying territories by total area which lists it at 231. Probably easier to change it to the smallest country in the world.

Quick explanation of Wikipedia outlines
"Outline" is short for "hierarchical outline". There are two types of outlines: sentence outlines (like those you made in school to plan a paper), and topic outlines (like the topical synopses that professors hand out at the beginning of a college course). Outlines on Wikipedia are primarily topic outlines that serve 2 main purposes: they provide taxonomical classification of subjects showing what topics belong to a subject and how they are related to each other (via their placement in the tree structure), and as subject-based tables of contents linked to topics in the encyclopedia. The hierarchy is maintained through the use of heading levels and indented bullets. See Outlines for a more in-depth explanation. The Transhumanist 00:02, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 26 November 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) Iffy★Chat -- 14:50, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Outline of Vatican City → Outline of the Holy See – Outline of the Holy See currently redirects to Outline of Vatican City. How about the other way around, with the Holy See providing the ultimate scope - comprising also anything pertaining to the Vatican City in its outline? Chicbyaccident (talk) 13:44, 26 November 2018 (UTC) "Although the Holy See is sometimes metonymically referred to as the 'Vatican', the Vatican City State was distinctively established with the Lateran Treaty (1929) between the Holy See and Italy to ensure the temporal, diplomatic, and spiritual independence of the Papacy. As such, ambassadors are officially accredited to the Holy See and not the Vatican City State. Conversely, Papal nuncios to states and international organisations are recognised as representing the Holy See and the integrity of the Catholic Church along with its 1.3 billion members, not the Vatican City State, as prescribed also in the Canon law of the Catholic Church (1983).[9] The 'Holy See' thus refers to the See of Rome viewed as the central government of the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church, in turn, is the largest non-government provider of education and health care in the world,[10] while the diplomatic status of the Holy See facilitates the access of its vast international network of charities."
 * Oppose, Vatican City is a country, the Holy See is a religious institution. The present title and order of this outline provides for both but accenting the country as primary. And notice how many article titles in the outline include the name "Vatican City", by far the prominent subject of this outline. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:17, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Randy. They are two distinct things. See the following excerpt from the Holy See article.  &mdash; The Transhumanist   20:13, 30 November 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.