Talk:Outline of ancient history

Requested move 16 June 2016

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. SST flyer  10:27, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

– Based upon Article_Incubator, the old article incubator was shut down. Numerous WikiProjects at that time (and some still remaining) had various own separate incubators and I think the same reasoning that applied to the main incubator applies them as well. This is also reflected in Subpages which is against WikiProjects to store their drafts hidden away in these locations and to instead move them to draftspace. As I suggested at the Wikiproject talk page, these draft articles (outlines are a type of article to me) are better served in draftspace where it is easier and more fruitful to informed other projects about them and to suggest that people work on pages named like Draft:Outline of London rather than buried away in a subpage of the Outlines WikiProject. The project draft categories are easier to navigate than finding out that pages are in other WikiProjects for whatever reason. Nevertheless, this suggestion has been opposed by so I'm requesting these moves here. And yes, this is a lot at one time but I can't see any reason to not either support moving them all or to oppose moving them all so let's just settle this. Ricky81682 (talk) 07:46, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of ancient history → Draft:Outline of ancient history
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of animal science → Draft:Outline of animal science
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of animation → Draft:Outline of animation
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of anime → Draft:Outline of anime
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of applied mathematics → Draft:Outline of applied mathematics
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of aquaculture → Draft:Outline of aquaculture
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of architectural engineering → Draft:Outline of architectural engineering
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of archival science → Draft:Outline of archival science
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of area studies → Draft:Outline of area studies
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of armed forces → Draft:Outline of armed forces
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of art history → Draft:Outline of art history
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of association football → Draft:Outline of association football
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of astrobiology → Draft:Outline of astrobiology
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of astrophysics → Draft:Outline of astrophysics
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of auto racing → Draft:Outline of auto racing
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of bioengineering → Draft:Outline of bioengineering
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of biogeography → Draft:Outline of biogeography
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of bioinformatics → Draft:Outline of bioinformatics
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of biomedical engineering → Draft:Outline of biomedical engineering
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of bodybuilding → Draft:Outline of bodybuilding
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of bowling → Draft:Outline of bowling
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of boxing → Draft:Outline of boxing
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of chaos theory → Draft:Outline of chaos theory
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of civics → Draft:Outline of civics
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of civil engineering → Draft:Outline of civil engineering
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of civil law → Draft:Outline of civil law
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of cognitive psychology → Draft:Outline of cognitive psychology
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of cognitive science → Draft:Outline of cognitive science
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of common law → Draft:Outline of common law
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of computer networking → Draft:Outline of computer networking
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of conflict theory → Draft:Outline of conflict theory
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of constitutional law → Draft:Outline of constitutional law
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of criminal law → Draft:Outline of criminal law
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of cue sports → Draft:Outline of cue sports
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of demographics → Draft:Outline of demographics
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of demography → Draft:Outline of demography
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of dental care → Draft:Outline of dental care
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of dogs → Draft:Outline of dogs
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of electronics → Draft:Outline of electronics
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of encyclopedias → Draft:Outline of encyclopedias
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of entrepreneurship → Draft:Outline of entrepreneurship
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of family and consumer science → Draft:Outline of family and consumer science
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of fire safety → Draft:Outline of fire safety
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of forest hydrology → Draft:Outline of forest hydrology
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of fungi → Draft:Outline of fungi
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of geoengineering → Draft:Outline of geoengineering
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of gridiron football → Draft:Outline of gridiron football
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of gymnastics → Draft:Outline of gymnastics
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of herbs and spices → Draft:Outline of herbs and spices
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of hobbies → Draft:Outline of hobbies
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of hockey → Draft:Outline of hockey
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of human physiology → Draft:Outline of human physiology
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of human resource management → Draft:Outline of human resource management
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of information technology management → Draft:Outline of information technology management
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of journalism → Draft:Outline of journalism
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of lacrosse → Draft:Outline of lacrosse
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of learning → Draft:Outline of learning
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of leisure → Draft:Outline of leisure
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of mass communication → Draft:Outline of mass communication
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of modern history → Draft:Outline of modern history
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of museums → Draft:Outline of museums
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of oceanography → Draft:Outline of oceanography
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of ontologies → Draft:Outline of ontologies
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of open methodologies → Draft:Outline of open methodologies
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of optical technology → Draft:Outline of optical technology
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of personal life → Draft:Outline of personal life
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of post-classical history → Draft:Outline of post-classical history
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of prehistory → Draft:Outline of prehistory
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of recreation → Draft:Outline of recreation
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of research → Draft:Outline of research
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of rock music → Draft:Outline of rock music
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of role-playing games → Draft:Outline of role-playing games
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of rugby → Draft:Outline of rugby
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of rugby league → Draft:Outline of rugby league
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of safety → Draft:Outline of safety
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of sailing → Draft:Outline of sailing
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of tabletop role-playing games → Draft:Outline of tabletop role-playing games
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of teaching → Draft:Outline of teaching
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of the American Indian Wars → Draft:Outline of the American Indian Wars
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of the Bible → Draft:Outline of the Bible
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of the Book of Mormon → Draft:Outline of the Book of Mormon
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of the Cold War → Draft:Outline of the Cold War
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of the LGBT community → Draft:Outline of the LGBT community
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of the Olympic Games → Draft:Outline of the Olympic Games
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of the Russian Revolution → Draft:Outline of the Russian Revolution
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of the World Wide Web → Draft:Outline of the World Wide Web
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of the arts → Draft:Outline of the arts
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of tinea → Draft:Outline of tinea
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of tools → Draft:Outline of tools
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of tourism → Draft:Outline of tourism
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of typography → Draft:Outline of typography
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of urban studies → Draft:Outline of urban studies
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of weapons → Draft:Outline of weapons
 * Thanks Ricky,
 * Oppose all, largely on the basis that doing this will invite people unfamiliar with WP:Outlines to work on these and move them to mainspace.
 * There is a history, several years ago, of considerable conflict over the creation of "Outline" pages in mainspace. At the time of the demise of activity, I was proposing the Outlines should become its own namespace, sort of replacing the failed/failing Portal namespace.  I think there is a good argument that Outlines do not belong in mainspace, although they may belong elsewhere.  Unless there is a thorough review of Outlines with new guidance, I really think that Outline drafts should be left as subpages of WikiProject:Outlines, where the uninitiated are unlikely to cause trouble with them.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 07:54, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm presuming you're referring not to the information page but to the project at WikiProject Outlines. These outlines are stored within a WikiProject page not the information page. The actual pages, if they were to moved to mainspace, would at be at Outline of weapons and so on so I have no idea why you would prefer it in one place like that than in draftspace. I don't know what an information page has to do with people's ability to find a particular set of drafts for potential articles and I highly doubt that it's easier to find them there. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:04, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Outlines is intimately connected to WikiProject Outlines. No one should ever work on an Outline article without understanding Outlines.  They are not normal articles.  They probably shouldn't be in mainspace.  As such, they don't belong in DraftSpace either.  Some Outlines are already in mainspace, yes, but these are the best of them.  It does not follow that the rest should go there too.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:12, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that doesn't mean we can't have those pages in draftspace. The pages are tagged with the outline project. We have WP:REDIRECTS as well as WikiProject Redirect and Disambiguation as well as WikiProject Disambiguation but I don't know why outlines are required to be in the Outline subpage. Outlines have been around for years, some people like them, others don't, if they are created, they have to follow the relevant guidelines. So are you saying that say the physics projects has no busy editing Draft:Outline of black holes and it must be kept in the Outlines projects because only the Outlines project can work on it? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:43, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Redirect and Disambiguation subpages don't belong in DraftSpace either. DraftSpace is only for article drafts. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:59, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * What does that have to do with the request here? I'm proposing moving these to draftspace. And opposing because people unfamiliar with a style guide could edit them is a ridiculous reason to oppose. It's not like those same people can't just edit these same pages at its current location. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:57, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * You should only put things in draftspace that should, when developed, go to mainspace. I object that it should be assumed true that these things belong in mainspace.  A mistaken assumption there could have serious negative consequences.  And more likely, they will just be deleted in due course for inactivity, in which case they are definitely better left where they are. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:44, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Outlines go to mainspace. It's one of the main items at Portal:Contents. Are Lists not in mainspace? So are you opposing because people won't find it here and thus it won't be listed for deletion due to inactivity? That seems like a mighty strange reason to oppose moving it. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 18:03, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


 * If the verdict is "move all", someone better write a script to move this lot. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:30, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I've been doing these by hand. It's not that much work. Else a script is fine, it's pretty straightforward. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:27, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Bot policy covers all bot-like editing, even if not using bots or scripts, not for simply the convenience of the bot-like editor. Please get approval for you bot-like editing, like these pages moves that will be a real pain for someone else to revert, and then use an declared alternative account to do them.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:52, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note. made a correction to one of the suggested titles. "Drafts" is not a namespace. — Andy W. ( talk  · ctb) 01:18, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I missed that. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:57, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Move all It's really annoying to have to go to a wikiproject for a draft, that's what draft space is for. ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 23:04, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose all per SmokeyJoe. Doug Weller  talk 11:14, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose all per SmokeyJoe. Most of these have failed to develop for many years, and would need a lot of work to turn into anything useful; they are probably best deleted. Johnbod (talk) 00:48, 23 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Post RfC comments
This should be raised more broadly. Virtually no one who might care was even aware of this buried discussion. It has been re-opened (not in RfC state, yet), at Village pump (policy). The very fact that so many of these have arrested development is probably directly attributable to them being hidden in the "Wikipedia:WikiProject" sub-namespace where hardly anyone will ever notice their existence. The entire purpose of the "Draft:" namespace is to help people find partial articles they can complete. Duh. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  06:08, 30 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The proper place is at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Outlines. SMcCandlish, I think you mistakenly assume tha these are "articles". --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:24, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Lists are a type of article, and outlines are a type of list article. So are glossaries and timelines. Note that most timeline articles are structured lists, and therefore, outlines. The Transhumanist 20:18, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Quick explanation of Wikipedia outlines
Outlines are a type of list article. Each outline is about the subject identified after "Outline of" in the title. "Outline" refers to the format of the article...

"Outline" is short for "hierarchical outline". There are two types of outlines: sentence outlines (like those you made in school to plan a paper), and topic outlines (like the topical synopses that professors hand out at the beginning of a college course). Outlines on Wikipedia are primarily topic outlines that serve 2 main purposes: they provide taxonomical classification of subjects showing what topics belong to a subject and how they are related to each other (via their placement in the tree structure), and as subject-based tables of contents linked to topics in the encyclopedia. The hierarchy is maintained through the use of heading levels and indented bullets. See Outlines for a more in-depth explanation. The Transhumanist 16:58, 3 August 2016 (UTC)