Talk:Outline of forestry

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Is a list of "basic forestry topics" really needed? I mean, there already is a List of forestry topics and it's not a very good article/list; so if the list of all forestry topics can't be a good article, I don't think this one will be any better. &mdash; King Ivan  08:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Depends who works on it. Check out List of basic cell biology topics.  The main author of that list has started work on this one. ;)  The Transhumanist 20:14, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Major rename proposal of certain "lists" to "outlines"
See Village pump (proposals).

The Transhumanist 01:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Rename proposal for this page and all the pages of the set this page belongs to
See the proposal at the Village pump

The Transhumanist 09:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

External Links Section
I think that the external links section has a lot of good links, but it is getting too extensive. As they seem country-specific, should we try to move the links into the pertaining country page as they are created? minnecologies (talk) 00:11, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Guidelines for outlines
Guidelines for the development of outlines are being drafted at Outlines.

Your input and feedback is welcomed and encouraged.

The Transhumanist 00:31, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

The "History of" section needs links!
Please add some relevant links to the history section.

Links can be found in the "History of" article for this subject, in the "History of" category for this subject, or in the corresponding navigation templates. Or you could search for topics on Google - most topics turn blue when added to Wikipedia as internal links.

The Transhumanist 00:31, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Editors interested in helping strengthen History of forestry coverage are invited to check out and contribute to the WikiProject Forestry:History of forestry subpage, a workspace to help identify and organize topics for article development. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 19:21, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Finished outline review
After months of working on it, I feel that the Outline of forestry has finally been completed, and is awaiting your review as is requested on the WP:OOK page. Minnecologies (talk) 03:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Awesome. Makes me jealous.  The best list work I've done is on Glossary of philosophical isms, and that was just a copy and paste job. :(


 * Getting back to the outline...


 * What about this:


 * Did you check the following sources for links?
 * Google site-specific search of Wikipedia for "forestry"
 * Category:Forests, including its subcategories (e.g. Category:Forest modelling)
 * Category:Logging, ditto
 * See also sections of major forestry-related articles:
 * Forestry - are all the essential links that are listed here included in the outline?
 * Logging - ditto?
 * Logging - ditto?


 * Out of curiosity, what is "Forest modeling"? Is that a forestry activity?  It seems like a significant term, per these google searches:
 * "Forest modeling"
 * "Forest modelling"


 * Just wondering.


 * The Transhumanist 19:24, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the props, while developing the outline I meticulously went through the forestry category and its subcategories to get the "meat". While going through the main "see alsos" it appears I missed a couple, although some links were omitted intentionally as I thought they were either too specific for the general topic or were very poorly developed/need to be merged (such as permaforestry and wildcrafting).


 * Forest modeling is a very significant aspect of forestry- it is more or less the use and development of statistical models to assess current and expected forest conditions (including yield estimates, sawlog quality, wildlife habitat, etc.). I alluded to it slightly in stand growth assessment but it deserves a more complete covering, that's for sure. The problem is that right now the pages don't even exist for the general concept (forest modelling or forest mensuration), let alone specific models or statistical concepts. I was planning on developing that aspect of forestry next as my new major project, and I will update the outline as I work on it and see how it all stacks up. It's very nice to see such observation and curiosity in the topic :)


 * Anyone have anything else? Minnecologies (talk) 22:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * If essential topics are missing, add them even if they are stubs or redlinks. That will alert others to the blatantly missing or underdeveloped topics, and give them an opportunity to click on the redlinks to create the articles.  That's what redlinks are for.  See WP:REDLINK.  The Transhumanist 23:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Forestry/History of Forestry
See also: WikiProject Forestry/History of forestry. Overlap with the Outline of forestry? Complementary efforts? DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 11:10, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Lumberjack sports
Should the Outline of forestry include a section on Lumberjack sports? At the college level, this would include Woodsman teams. More broadly speaking, it would encompass such activities as Wood chopping, the Lumberjack World Championship, the Stihl Timbersports Series, and the World Logging Championship. I don't see an obvious place to put such a section. Not entirely sure it fits here, but there is an affinity... Suggestions? DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 20:43, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Proposed article: Outline of the history of forestry
I would like to propose development of a new Outline of the history of forestry article, conceptually a spin-off of this article, but building off the work embodied in the WikiProject Forestry/History of forestry workpage. Suggestions? Contributions welcome! Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 17:51, 19 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd recommend concentrating on improving the existing sections (and pages as a whole), before working on separate articles/lists. Eg Forestry is very short, and Outline of forestry is very short. Expanding and Improving the quality of existing content, is usually preferred ('tis harder, but more worthwhile). —Quiddity (talk) 01:35, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your response & suggestion, Quiddity. I hear what you are saying about expanding and improving existing articles rather than starting a new one. For the present article, my concern is that a major expansion of the 'History of forestry' section could throw it out of balance. Would that be a better place to start, though, and then spin it off as a separate article if/ as needed? Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 11:13, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * For the article History of forestry and subsection-in-main-article-Forestry - it's generally up to you, partially based on how much time you foresee being able to spend on it, and however you work most happily.


 * IE. If you're planning on creating some substantial content, then it might be best to start the separate article from scratch (per WP:SUMMARY's advice of "It is advisable to develop new material in a subtopic before summarizing it in the main article."). Whereas, if the new article is just going to be a copy&paste of the existing section, with a few links and sentences added, then it'd be best to just expand the existing subsection, and save a split-out for later.


 * For the outlines, I'd slightly-more-strongly recommend not creating a separate outline, until the History sections here are significantly larger. Partially because the sections here ought to be larger, and partially because the outlines-project is a complicated and frequently-misunderstood endeavour (hence redlink-filled outlines tend to get an abundance of criticism). On the other hand, the proposed content at WikiProject Forestry/History of forestry is looking great, so it really is up to you (and any other contributors). HTH. —Quiddity (talk) 22:32, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks Quiddity. Based on your feedback, my direction is to work with what several of us developed in WikiProject Forestry to add to the Outline of forestry. Work underway in my sandbox. Regards, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 23:00, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Material from the WikiProject Forestry/History of forestry workpage now integrated into this article, under the 'History of forestry' section. Further contributions, stylistic enhancements welcome! Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 02:01, 21 November 2012 (UTC)


 * To be clear, proposal is thus now withdrawn. Thanks, DA Sonnenfeld (talk) 22:23, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Quick explanation of Wikipedia outlines
"Outline" is short for "hierarchical outline". There are two types of outlines: sentence outlines (like those you made in school to plan a paper), and topic outlines (like the topical synopses that professors hand out at the beginning of a college course). Outlines on Wikipedia are primarily topic outlines that serve 2 main purposes: they provide taxonomical classification of subjects showing what topics belong to a subject and how they are related to each other (via their placement in the tree structure), and as subject-based tables of contents linked to topics in the encyclopedia. The hierarchy is maintained through the use of heading levels and indented bullets. See Outlines for a more in-depth explanation. The Transhumanist 00:06, 9 August 2015 (UTC)