Talk:Outsider art

Association with "glam rock"
"Glam rock" is included under "See also."

Does Outsider Art have anything to do with glam rock? Neither article mentions the other. 2603:7000:873F:899F:B508:DD31:588:728D (talk) 21:05, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Splitting Outsider Art and Art Brut into 2 different pages
Hey,

Recently I've noticed that Art Brut does not have it's own page and instead re-directs here. Art Brut is a historically significant art term and should have it's own page rather than a re-direct. I've also noticed that much of the content in the Outsider Art page is based on Art Brut -- so I'd like to split hairs here a bit so that a significant movement like Art Brut, isn't overshadowed by the ease of language by calling it outsider art. Doing some research and will see the best way to split these two. Thoughts? Slacker13 (talk) 15:17, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Splitting hairs -- Art Brut vs outsider art
Art Brut -- as a term came first and was coined by Jean Dubuffet and is centered mainly on child-like naive, primitive works where as ...

Outsider Art -- is ANY art that is created by someone untrained outside of the traditional art world. Slacker13 (talk) 15:23, 20 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Agreed with the Teahouse talk. Art brut, (French: “raw art”) really deserves its own page, not nestled here. There was even a Companie de L’Art Brut set up to collect and study Art Brut, which is now housed in the museum, La Collection de l’Art Brut in Lausanne, Switzerland. Avignonesi (talk) 16:47, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the agreement! Slacker13 (talk) 03:32, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I would like to see evidence from art historians that these are really two discrete topics rather than French and English terms for essentially the same topic. Cullen328 (talk) 19:14, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I found it in this book: https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=uajFzNpyJC8C&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=art+brut+vs+outsider+art&ots=1BpFce9Fa0&sig=_uFofq9I9BATWiugqiZq9_zrvc0#v=onepage&q=art%20brut%20vs%20outsider%20art&f=false. Pulling some excerpts....
 * and this paper: https://scholarscompass.vcu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1313&context=jstae
 * Related, often inter-changed -- but actually two distinct terms. Slacker13 (talk) 18:48, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

One of the references in this article is linking to a 404 page.
Particularly "Prinz, Jesse. "Against outsider art." Journal of Social Philosophy 48.3 (2017): 250-272.".

Is there anything that can be done about it? I'd love to read up on it.

Thanks. EnviousBird (talk) 18:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC)