Talk:Outsiders (comics)

consensus on Heroclix info relocation/removal was reached at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics. dfg 17:37, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Confusing
The page currently reads:


 * They first appeared in the final issue (#200) of The Brave and the Bold in 1983. The team was given its first comic, Batman and the Outsiders, which debuted in August 1983, created and originally written by Mike W. Barr and illustrated by Jim Aparo, and then later illustrated by Alan Davis.


 * After Batman left the group in issue #32, the title was changed to Adventures of the Outsiders and lasted until #38. After that issue, the book started reprinting stories from The Outsiders (1986) until it was cancelled on issue #46.

That last statement is confusing, and potentially incorrect. If they debuted in 1983, issue #38 would have been in 1986 (assuming 12 issues per year). How could it be reprinting a 1986 title that hasn't been mentioned in the article yet? Was there a second Outsiders series that was reprinted in Adventures of the Outsiders, with the reprints only being a few months seperated from the originals?

I think the article means that in 1986, with issue #38 the title changed from "Adventures of the Outsiders" to "The Outsiders" and they began to publish reprints. Reprints of what? Could someone who knows thwe answer, pleas clarify this? Thanks. 76.204.103.221 (talk) 01:35, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Here's a chronology:


 * The Brave and Bold #200 (July 1983) first appearance of the Outsiders
 * Batman and the Outsiders #1 (August 1983) first issue of series
 * The Outsiders #1 (November 1985) direct sales only title printed on Baxter paper
 * Batman and the Outsiders #32 (April 1986) Batman severs ties with the Outsiders
 * The Adventures of the Outsiders #33 (May 1986) title changes from "Batman and the Outsiders" to "The Adventures of the Outsiders"
 * The Adventures of the Outsiders #38 (October 1986) last new issue of series
 * The Adventures of the Outsiders #39 (November 1986) series becomes a reprint title; reprints The Outsiders #1 (November 1985)
 * The Adventures of the Outsiders #46 (June 1987) last issue of series; reprints The Outsiders #8 (June 1986)
 * The Outsiders #28 (February 1988) last issue of series


 * Hope that clears up the confusion. Mtminchi08 (talk) 03:15, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Page in Need of Massive Overhaul
This page needs to be redone, plain and simple. It's jumbled with member lists and short stubs at every page break. I recommend a similar approach that's in the Justice League and Teen Titans (comics) articles, by creating a separate page detailing every member that's been active, and at what time. It would give the actual content much more of a focus. --CmdrClow 06:06, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

other Outsiders team
Actually, the team listed in the article with the three different incarnations is DC Comics' SECOND team with that name. The first Outsiders was VASTLY different. THAT Outsiders premiered in "1st Issue Special" #10 in January 1976 and featured Billy, Lizard Johnny, Amazing Ronnie, Hairy Larry, Dr. Scary and Mighty Mary. The title was written by Joe Simon, with pencils by Jerry Grandenetti and inks by Creig Flessel. The cover was by Ernie Chan and more info can be found at http://dialbforblog.com/archives/158/

Hope that helps.
 * This definitely needs including in the article, but I'm a little hesitant on just how to do it. Kusonaga 10:08, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Terra II and Dr. Light
Were these two characters ever officially made Outsiders? I know they showed up fighting alongside The Outsiders in a few crossover events, but were they actually members? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.100.108 (talk • contribs) 


 * We don't know under which circumstances they've joined, but Terra and Light were members. At least this is stated by every profile on them. —Lesfer (talk/@) 21:15, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, we don't know that. There's not a Who's Who from DC that classfies them as members, and the Wikipedia profile on Dr. Light II only calls her an ally of The Outsiders. It's quite possible they joined off-panel since they were seen in battle with The Outsiders on several occasions, but it's not verified by any reliable source yet.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.100.108 (talk • contribs) 


 * Try DC Comics Encyclopedia. —Lesfer (talk/@) 13:14, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Current Team
I'm not sure we can legitimately say the current Outsiders team had no connection to the previous teams when you have Nighting (basically the son of Batman), Thunder (the daughter of Black Lightning) and Shift (a portion of Metamorpho that came to life on its own) on the team.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.100.108 (talk • contribs) 

Publishing Experiment
The prinintg of two comic series featuring the same characters.

Adventures of the outsiders (comic a) The Outsiders (comic b)

'comic b' was set one year later than 'comic a'. When (presumably after a year of pubication) 'comic a' caught up with the first few issues of 'comic b', then those first few issues of 'comic b' began being reprinted under the title of 'comic a'.

This seems quite a unique approach to comic-book pubslishing. I guess the initial rational of setting 'The Outsiders' one year later was so as to justify the absence of Batman - esentially fortelling his departure from the group.

After the cancelation of 'adventures' did 'The Outsiders' continue to be set one year into the future of the DCU? did this cause any particular continuiuty issues?

Does the uniqueness of this situation warrent particular note?


 * This situation wasn't unique to the Outsiders; the Teen Titans and Legion of Super-Heroes were published under this system too (and their secondary "Tales of..." books last a lot longer than "Adventures of the Outsiders" did).


 * This was DC's "hardcover/softcover" system. Essentially, they wanted to upgrade some of their most popular books to higher-quality paper that wouldn't have been profitable on the newsstand (under the terms of returnability), so they would be sold to the direct market only.  However, they didn't want to cut off the newsstand market (much more significant than it is now) from their most popular titles, and they didn't want to just produce a cheaper version for the newsstand, since they'd be cannibalizing their own sales.


 * Their solution was to create the new, direct-only books under new numbering, and turn the old books (continuing the old numbering) into "Tales of..." or "Adventures of...". These would produce new stories for a year, and then reprint stories from the main book from one year earlier (mostly).  They weren't really set one year ahead in continuity in the way that DC's One Year Later titles literally jumped forward by a year, or set notably ahead of continuity in the rest of the DCU; they just started new stories in the new titles that were set after the new stories in the old ones. (The only place this was really obvious was in Teen Titans; since the "Judas Contract" was running in "Tales of...", Terra wasn't around in the new book.  I think Windfall may have joined the Outsiders during that continuity jump as well.) Strephon 15:43, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Current Members
By the look of cover spoilers found on the DC website (http://dccomics.com/comics/?cm=8113)  aquaman, catwoman and lightning will also be members of Batmans new team. Should this be speculated on in the page?Scary monkey35 11:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No. We don't deal in speculation. Kusonaga 12:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Main pic
Is this really suitable. It is a picture of Batman and a number of arms. Not really a picture of the Outsiders at all. I'm sure someone can scan a better one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.192.55 (talk) 15:07, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * My thoughts exactly. This isn't in line with the Comic Project guidelines. A group shot of a classic line-up is the preferred option. (Emperor (talk) 02:26, 22 November 2007 (UTC))

dave cockrum
should there be a part about the team cockrum made, that included characters that resembled Nightcrawler and Storm.

Article currency
The section titled "Future" under "Outsiders (vol. 4)" needs to be brought current and have any speculation removed. Khaotika 21:28, 3 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Khaotika (talk • contribs)

File:OutsidersB&BS1.png Nominated for speedy Deletion
I object! Besides there's a great difference in their appearances between the first and second series of Batman: The Brave and the Bold. All in favour of the image staying say I. Visokor (talk) 13:52, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

The usual terribleness.
So, we have this team, a DC Comics team called the Outsiders, at Outsiders (comics), and then another DC Comics team called the Outsiders at Outsiders (DC Comics). This is not how disambiguation is supposed to work! It really isn't. john k (talk) 07:06, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I've gone ahead and fixed this.--NukeofEarl (talk) 12:19, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

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