Talk:Owen Smith

Requested move 17 July 2016

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure)  Omni Flames ( talk ) 08:32, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Owen Smith (politician) → Owen Smith – This individual is the primary topic of the namespace. The MP is far more notable than the physician. This article received 37,054 views on July 13, while the physician's entry received 70 views. Hazhk (talk) 20:09, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Support - as a potential contender for Leader of the Opposition in the UK, he should indeed be considered the primary topic.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:19, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Recentism? Events over the past few weeks have obviously resulted in a surge of interest, but prior to 23 June this article was pulling in an average of just 95 page views per day |Owen_Smith_(physician)|Owen_Smith. PC78 (talk) 21:04, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Not really. The physician was pulling two per day, at least one of which may well have been misclicks. Anyhow, the almost 50-to-1 disparity suggests the politician is the primary topic. -Rrius (talk) 21:33, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Support: even before the current leadership election the politican was the primary topic but now this is without doubt. Ebonelm (talk) 21:25, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: He is now the single challenger to Jeremy Corbyn in the leadership contest. There is going to be increased traffic to this page and we need to make this page easy to search for. Hazhk (talk) 16:38, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Support He is unambiguously more notable than the physician, and is likely to remain that way irrespective of how his leadership challenge pans out Dtellett (talk) 18:36, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong support – clearly the primary topic. Chessrat  ( talk, contributions ) 20:39, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.--Neve–selbert 21:08, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per nom Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 21:32, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Support. The politician is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC with respect to current usage. A bit too early to judge long-term significance, but currently there appears no indication to favour the medic. Qwfp (talk) 12:38, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Support - a million miles more notable than the physician. Unreal7 (talk) 21:26, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Support I've looked at the physician's article, and it is far from clear that the article should even exist. -Rrius (talk) 21:29, 22 July 2016 (UTC)


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Semi-protect article?
Smith is standing in a heated leadership election and this article may become prone to vandalism and agenda-driven editing. It should be semi-protected to prevent anonymous users from editing without scrutiny. At least until the leadership election ends. Note that his opponents' articles have been protected to a greater degree. -- Hazhk (talk) 00:12, 18 July 2016 (UTC)


 * See my note about Left or Right wing (next topic). This article needs more protection! Peter K Burian (talk) 19:43, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Is Smith left or right wing?
My note below may not be relvant since the edit by anonymous has been reverted, I believe. Peter K Burian (talk) 19:43, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Someone deleted a large section (below) and replaced it with a short sentence about his being left wing but without any citation to prove the point. Is this appropriate?

This was deleted: He has been described as being on the 'soft left' of the Labour Party, with Kevin Maguire of the Daily Mirror noting Smith's politics "largely overlap when it comes to policy" with Jeremy Corbyn's. On 19 July 2016, Smith had been one of two candidates contesting the party leadership of Jeremy Corbyn; the other candidate, Angela Eagle withdrew, leaving Smith as the only challenger to Corbyn.  Peter K Burian (talk) 19:39, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Amgen
Treestarch (talk) 21:53, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link, but doesn't belong in this article and seems to be already covered in the Amgen one. Would be different if he was reported to be involved in the chain of command responsible for the illegal drug promotion, but he wasn't.  Dtellett (talk) 22:00, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2016
Please add to PERSONAL LIFE.

'In 2016, a Facebook page emerged which accused Owen Smith of being the 'zodiac killer'. The page has since gained widespread support.'

Mistide (talk) 00:44, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Mistide (talk) 00:44, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: 600 likes is not "widespread support" Cannolis (talk) 10:35, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2016
Dai Jones was appointed editor of BBC Wales and head of programmes in 1992. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36834096 DS1992 (talk) 14:40, 27 July 2016 (UTC)


 * You mean Dai Smith, Owen Smith's father - there is more about him here. He may well be notable enough to have an article in his own right - what do others think?  Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:45, 27 July 2016 (UTC).
 * PS: I have now answered my own question. On that basis, there is no need to refer to Dai's BBC career in this article. ❌   Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:41, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2016
Davobacon (talk) 14:39, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

In regards to the section on political positions, the following additions could be included:

1) "[Under the "Economic Issues" heading] In regards to tax, Smith has promised to reverse cuts in Corporation Tax due to take place up until 2020 whilst reversing the cuts made to Capital Gains Tax and Inheritance Tax in the Summer Budget."

SOURCE: http://labourlist.org/2016/07/smith-reveals-20-policies-to-tackle-inequality-as-he-pledges-practical-revolution/

2) "[Under the "Employment" heading] In his 2016 leadership bid, Smith released proposals for policies aimed at improving workers rights such as a repeal of the 'Trade Unions Act' and a commitment to ensure workers’ representation on remuneration committees. Smith also proposed replacing the current Department of Work and Pensions with a new 'Ministry for Labour' and a revived Department for Social Security."

SOURCE: http://leftfootforward.org/2016/07/owen-smith-is-no-blairite-his-policies-are-egalitarian-and-left-wing/

SOURCE: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/what-are-owen-smiths-policies-in-the-labour-leadership-contest/


 * Yes check.svg Done -- MorbidEntree - (Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥) (please reply using &#x7B;&#x7B;ping&#x7D;&#x7D;) 21:53, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

"He has been described as being on the 'soft left' of the Labour Party..."largely overlap when it comes to policy" with Corbyn's"
That reads to me as if Corbyn is also one of the "soft left" of the Labour Party, which he isn't generally considered. Quite a few articles (The Independent, The Guardian, The Telegraph) from before the last Labour leadership election use the term "soft left" to distinguish Smith from Corbyn. The reference used for that sentence in the lead, The Daily Mirror, doesn't use the term "soft left" at all. Seems like the sentence is a bit misleading. --Inops (talk) 12:17, 4 August 2018 (UTC)