Talk:Owned (slang)

Merging
Shitty is like saying ownt 9 times srys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.159.180 (talk) 23:23, 17 April 2009 (UTC) They should be merged. The spellings are irrelevant and a condition of the person saying/typing it (maturity, intended audience, and/or humor being the major factors). Having two different articles can be confusing to the uninitiated and creates unnecessary elaboration. Of course, it would wise to explain the relation and debated differences in usage. However, in the end they both mean the same thing. Awhisperedlie 14:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Often times the bassis of a word is the root of the word. It is without a doubt that "Pwn" is based from "Own" as is apparent. But to merge "Pwn" into "Owned" is to deface and devalue the language that brings us such great utilities as our beloved Wiki. It is these terms, derived from words and given life via. the internet, that defines what it is to be a "netizen" and with this term, it defines a class of people who enjoy what they do. To merge this word with another is to reduce the value of the word, and disconnect computer gamers from their language. -Night0wl 7/27/06

Pwn and Own are two different meanings as owned as projected to more hacking, and pwned is mostly for a FPS. The only way to know if they should be merged is to look at where pwned came from,Counter-Strike. It is said that someone was playing CS late at night and accidently pressed P instead of O,people thought "Genius!" and know we hace pwned.
 * D-AJ

It should not be merged.

No way should they be merged pwnd is such a big thing now it carries a life of its own. --User:me 14:40, July 11 2006 (UTC0

The terms pwn and own may have originated from the same term but have since then evolved their own meanings and thus should be given their own articles. If they were merged, the article should at least be named "own/pwn" so as to not give one more importance from the other. They should not be merged. nerfbat

I think that its worth it to keep the page just to be able to redirect people to http://en.wikipedia.org/Pwn --24.51.94.14

I don't think the two should be merged, the two do have different connotations. 'Owned' is has a much meaner connotation than 'Pwned' The two remain seperate in the gaming world, therefore the two should remain seperated on Wikipedia, too. --Dr Wasabi 14:26, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Earlier citations of hacker usage may likely be found, and would be welcome additions.
 * --Hobart 03:26, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Is it okay if I add a "Owned" picture? James 06:28, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying that "large brown monster" thing James 20:11, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

I added a pretty benevolent and appropriate one. I deleted the emotion eric comment on the picture. I couldn't find anything to prove it was actually him, but if you can, please change it back Yanksox 21:38, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Here's the page on EmotionEric.com with him and the Pluto mascot: W3bbo 23:32, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, my mistake. Thank you. I'll fix it Yanksox 02:43, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

"Owned" should not be merged with "pwn". To be "owned" means that you got killed/beaten in a harsh or crushing way. To be "pwn'd" implies that you are a n00b who gets "pwn'd" a lot. Also, if you are "t3h pwnz0rz", it means you are the greatest, but there is no such thing as being "t3h ownz0rz".


 * There is such thing as "t3h ownz0rz". "Pwn" is simply a variation (in its beginning, a typo) of "Own". I see no difference. It should be merged.Herunar 10:48, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I think that this should be merged. Go for it. Jpittman 20:17, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Well owned and pwned are basicly the same term used mainly used in gamming situations. -psp401.com 4/17/06

"Owned" and "pwned" are the same things. I'll tell you the history of "pwned": One day, at a forum, a child accidently misspelled "own" as "pwn". "pwn" is used since then. They should be merged. --85.96.41.66 05:43, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

"pwned" is a typo-deliberate spelling of "owned", ironically, only noobs differentiate between the actual pronounciation of owned and "pwned", since "pwn" is pronounced "own." Another vote for it should be merged. --Nerdtalker 23:54, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah merge them. Tamlyn 16:13, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. As someone who uses the term pwnz0r more than I really should, I agree that the term is really just a l33t spelling of "own".  A section in this article can deal with the minor connotative differences, but they are essentially the same thing. --DDG 18:04, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I, such as many others, think that theese two artucles should be put toghether. MERGE THEM TODAY! :) --Najoj 23:06, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Another vote for merging. The two terms are used interchangeably by most people that do employ them. There is not a sufficient agreed-upon distinction in their nuances to justify separate articles, particularly given how sparse and comparatively uninformative the current pwn article is, with just one hard-to-notice link to owned at the bottom -- Andrés Santiago Pérez-Bergquist 17:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Again, vote for merging. 'pwned' is derived from 'owned' and inherit it's meanings. I agree that the word is often use in areas outside of the gaming community to mean the same thing. However the specific spelling 'pwned' is only associated with the gaming community. Kjt 05:54, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I added a link to the pwned.nl site Lord of nothing 00:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


 * It should be merged, they mean basically the same thing. RobJ1981 04:29, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

it should not be merged, as a veteran of internet gaming culture i beleive that they should remain separate articles. To make them one is to give one more importance than the other. They have evolved into separate entities, and it is the duty of wikipedians to record it, we can not force the two separate terms into one just because we are too lazy to maintain two wikis. They should not be merged. Nerfbat 04:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Dude, if these two get merged, wikipedia's gonna get pwned. (not owned.) Pwn tends to be stronger than owned, kind of like "kill" and "murder." They mean the same thing, but most people (most) think that "murder" is stronger.

Origins
The word "own" could be a misspelling of "won" as in, eg, "I won the tournament" into "I own teh tourny"

The word is nowadays heavily used in sport and the likes, so the origin could likely have spawned from a real life scenario rather than a computer one. I don't know for sure though.

RZ heretic 06:53, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not really sure we can go off of one man's theory on that. besides, won and own have different meanings. won means to win in past-tense, and own means to beat or win-over someone in an uberific way. "I own teh tourny" is not exactly a correct use of the word.

Vennith 01:26 7 December 08 (EST)

 Own in reference to being dominated in a game is actually used in the 1986 song "Who Made Who" by AC/DC. In the first verse of the song:

The video game she play me. Face it, on the level, but it take you every time on a one on one. Feeling running down your spine Nothing gonna save your one last dime cause it own you. Through and through.

Not sure if it was used in this context prior to this, but it clearly was at this point and not years later with the internet subculture. --Noxxville (talk) 22:14, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Military examples
"There are military examples of similar sentiments being expressed by a victorious party."

There are? Where? By whom? Optimus Sledge 03:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so...I do own anybody though... Nasvien


 * Yeah I've heard actual soldiers (not in a game or movie) referencing "owning" a target or "owning" another team in training and so on... Whether or not these came up before or after the web usage is unclear, and is speculation. Also, if you can, please avoid using long section titles.  Its kindof obstructive.  I have taken the liberty of moving your title to an in section quote as they usually are.-- Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk 05:17, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Soldiers using these terms isn't that hard to believe as many of the armed forces are young men that come from all walks of life, including gamers Swalesy


 * Not just gamers... Then again it wouldn't be to hard to believe that they picked it up as jargon from those in their units that were gamers.--  Oni Ookami Alfador Talk 19:06, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It shows up in the movie "The Rock," too. Pretty sure the directors wouldn't be up to date if it were a more recent phenomenon at the time. More likely that it spread from military use to videogames... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.124.185.219 (talk) 23:28, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Verb Usage
Of course these two articles should be merged; They are both the same word!

PWN (verb)

1. An act of dominating an opponent.

2. Great, ingenious; applied to methods and objects.

Originally dates back to the days of WarCraft, when a map designer mispelled "Own" as "Pwn".

What was originally supose to be "player has been owned." was "player has been pwned".

Pwn eventually grew from there and is now used throughout the online world, especially in online games.

1. "I pwn these guys on battlenet"

2. "This strategy pwns!" or "This game pwn."

Owning
it's called owning:P
 * &gt;x&lt;ino 11:35, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Difference
To a gamer pwning and owning are very different. These topics should be kept separate. Play some games and find out the difference before you do something drastic!
 * And for everybody the Bible and the Koran are 'very different', yet Wikisource still put them into one page.
 * Pwn comes from Own, and no matter what sort of different meaning there may have been born, it definitely should be merged. We cannot detail the history of 'Pwn' without mentioning 'Own'. It is much simpler to merge it in a page and list out the differences. Keep in mind that we are writing this for everybody, not for ourselves. Those that see pwning and owning as 'very different' are few, and fewer there are that would want them to be separated. By the way, sign your name with four tildes. Aranherunar 12:42, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

These should not be merged
Being gamer, to be pwned is much different than being owned. To be pwned implies that you got, for lack of a better description, beaten into the ground rapidly by a force much better than yourself/team/group. Being owned doesn't carry that kind of weigh when using it online, there's not really a way to describe something being owned, or owning, which usually implies that something was l33t and that yourself/team/group did an outstanding job.

Many times, people don't even use owned, it turns into ownt, which is stronger than owned, but not as strong as pwned or pwnt.

In short, there are major weight differences between pwn and own when refered to online usage, which is most likely the only place you will see pwn used. -- Nathan Newby; WoW - spirestone - Fiyero

In the online world, pwn and own have very similar meanings, but definately not an identical definition. For two words that began in an online environment, separate listings only seem fit. They are measures of severity, and although the term "pwn" originated as a typo, it is a unique phenomena, much like the term "w00t". -- Mike B


 * They're not identical, but they have to be in the same article or else it's impossible to write them well. One originating from another is enough to merge them into one article. Keep in mind that you are editing in an encyclopedia, not a dictionary. ROFL is very, very different from LOL, but they're in the same article. That's the rules - Nothing is perfect. Aranherunar 06:22, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Ownt is used as much from what I know, I think they should be merged/ stay merged as Ownt is just a variation of owned User:Editor=toast

Pwn and Own or Pwned and Owned are very different. by these being merged it would be like merging apple with fruit. i dont need to explain myself

^ I agree. They should not be merged. Pwn and Owned are used diferrently- in fact they have infiltrated normal conversation. "Owned" is used for all sorts of things, in my experience, and is often used in conversation, somewhat like "burn". "Pwn" is only used on the internet, and is used more like the origional useage of "own". 4.247.143.12 19:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Please don't delete sections of the talk page, and please sign your comments. As to your assertion, you do need to provide reasoning if you actually want others to be convinced by what you say.  Regarding your analogy, while apple was at one point in the time used as a generic term synonymous with fruit, in the modern usage one is a strict subset of the other, whereas "own" and "pwn" are variants of the same term which may or may not have notable differences in their connotation and situational usage.  A better comparison would the question of whether the terms "ass" and "arse" are sufficiently distinct to merit separating. — Andrés Santiago Pérez-Bergquist 18:38, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Origin of the term
Couldn't the origin of "own" come from a typo of "won" such as: I own the game.

The typo would have started in the first widely popular internet games like Starcraft and players would say they won at the end of the game, making a typo.

Then the term would become a verb by it's widely spread usage in more popular games appealing younger audiences. Players in Counter Strike would then adapt the word and define it to what it is now.

This is just a theory but I believe it is more plausible than the hacker theory.
 * If you can provide a reputable source to back your assertion, then by all means incorporate it into the article. Isopropyl 03:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Then would you say pwn is a typo of own, and 'o' and 'p' are next to each other? That's what I've always thought it was.  Troubleshooter   19:49, 2 October 2006 (UTC)


 * No, origin is "owned" as-is. I claim to be the first to start using it. --Haizum   μολὼν λαβέ 22:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

These terms will continue to diverge, therefore corresponding articles should not be merged at least not at the moment
I was introduced to the gaming world about a year ago and I was not aware of the relationship between own and pwn until I read this article. I predict that meaning and usage of pwn will continue to evolve whereas own has already crystallized. There is also a chance that pwn will become a base of a whole set of new terms i.e. noun pwnzor, extreme form OmgWtfPwn, etc.

Used more in real life
I hear the term 'owned' used more outside the gaming world in real life, mostly by people who don't even play games.

You probably hear it more in real life because "PWNED" is pronounced the same as "owned," unless you're with a bunch of total nubs all the time. --209.180.119.10 19:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Leetspeek Derivatives
I have removed the "Leetspeek Derivatives" and reworded it in the Examples section; there are quite a few possibilities of writing "owned"/"ownage"/"pwned"/"pwnage" in leet and they're not really encyclopedic. The reader should know that these words can be written in leet (just as any word) but listing a dozen examples is pointless. - Simeon87 11:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

OR
Current revision seems to be full of OR, which doesn't really help with being able to tell what's vandalism and what isn't... Although, I can't honestly think of anywhere to get sources for somethign like this -- febtalk 12:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I think this may well be one of those topics where verifiable non OR sources simply do not exist. It's a slang term that has evolved only relatively recently. The best way to tell what is and is not vandalism is to check the meaning os the examples and see if they fit (currently all of them mean "severe defeat" in some way shape or form. I've seen all of them being used.

Pictures?
I dunno I just think some pictures would liven up the page. A word like "owned" shouldn't be presented so dryly. 67.48.97.82 23:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

There was a picture sometime ago it showed the common usage (video gaming) and was somewhat humourous. I wonder why it'd be deleted? User:Editor=toast


 * This was the picture that used to be on the page: Image:Ownedpic2.jpg. --thedemonhog talk • edits 03:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Nah the pic of the kid getting owned with the fire work was funny and displayed a good example of "Owned!".  M et al to the M ax!   10:21, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Should We Remove the Reference Tag?
Everything on the article has sources now, so it is a bit redundant. It has also been some time now since the existing sources were put in, and nobody has voiced any objections.211.30.134.111 07:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Merge with pwned?
What are people's thoughts on a merger of the two? I can't see them being that different. But I'm not an expert on the topic. For a comparison, I personally have no idea why nigga and nigger are seperate articles, but it's not a field that I know much about. I could say the same about this.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 17:34, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I think they should remain separate articles. They're similar in meaning, but I think there is a slight difference and I believe pwn to be a slightly "heavier" term than own. Holdsradar (talk) 22:06, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Please go to Talk:Pwn for more discussion. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 01:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Owned.com deletion
I've been browsing Owned.com (link in this article) and WOT plugin came up and stopped my in my tracks - it's quite a suspicious website. See the WOT review scorecard of OWNED.COM here. Should I delete that link?juggernaut0102(talk) 08:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

More on the origins?
When I grew up in SoCal in the early 80's we used the word OWN a lot, with basically the same meaning... I know it's cool to think of it as leet speak, but it's been used in "real life" for for at lesat 20+ years132.27.151.5 (talk) 11:43, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Growing up in the 80's in the Midwest, we used "Own" a lot as well. "Own" did not originate in Leet.173.15.44.165 (talk) 14:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

pooned
pooned? really? Wikipedia can certainly be stupid sometimes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.3.98 (talk) 04:21, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Nobody has ever used the term pooned in any context. It may be an error on the author's part in interpreting "pwned", which was just a misspelling and even as it caught on was pronounced "owned". Further investigation is needed by those who actually care and whatnot.

Dear sirs,
let us protect this article so that people will stop fucking around with it. Yours truly, HelskoWrigley (talk) 04:38, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Picture and description?
I don't get it. Seems really out of context. Its not a message from a hacker. It looks like something someone did to vandalize a school sign message in the middle of the night. And its not even about 'owned', or at least the usage isn't common. It just looks creepy. --IronMaidenRocks (talk) 06:43, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

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Notable ownings
Apart from some pretty horrific BLP issues with the contept in general neither the metro nor the polygon article support the owning claim. Twitter isn't going to be an RS for a claim with a BLP issue.©Geni (talk) 22:47, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

The twitter sources are merely to support the claims that A) Chuck Tingle took part in the stream B) Cher Retweeted the stream, since neither are mentioned in the Metro/Polygon articles. As to your other point, I don't dispute that none of the other sources specifically use the exact term "owned". What the sources do confirm is the series of events alluded to in the section. As the Metro article puts it:

"The YouTuber added: ‘I chose Mermaids specifically, because when they were designated some funding via the National Lottery, Graham Linehan, a comedy writer who did some work on a good show 20 years ago, a very normal man who is very angry about trans people all day nowadays, went on Mumsnet and told them to email the National Lottery en masse. Well done, Graham… now, tons of people know about Mermaids, and support them just to spite you!’

Ouch."

Party A sought to deny funding to an organization. In direct response, Party B raised over 340,000 for that organization. The 'Ouch' is particularly relevant as well. It suggests that this series of events was particularly painful or humiliating for the dominated party. This being the case it is entirely accurate to summarize this source as saying Graham Linehan was owned by HBomberguy. I don't believe that constitutes even an extrapolation or inference. Saying party A was severely dominated and humiliated by party B is synonymous with saying party A was owned by party B. These are just different words for the same thing. Demanding a source use the exact phrase "owned" is too high a standard. Obviously official articles aren't going to use such slang.

Ikillchicken (talk) 09:58, 26 January 2019 (UTC)


 * While technically we might accept "pwned" a direct statement in a reliable source is exactly what what wikipedia requires to say that a living person has been "owned". Our BLP policys are pretty strict. If you can't find a source for it you can't put it in an article. Beyond that by your own standards this would not be a notible owning. After all on a scale of 1-1066 the events you allude to are insignificant.©Geni (talk) 17:28, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Needs to be made into an Encyclopedia article, not a dictionary article
This article, as well as Pwn currently both talk about words. They do not make it clear what the underlying concept or entity is. How the entities are different. There are other words for the same thing. (Trounce, Ignominious defeat, route, etc.) At this embryonic stage it is not clear that the two levels of defeatedness could not be handled by one article (with notes explaining the varieties). So they should be merged. However I see that there seems to have been many failed attempts at that. So please improve the articles by making them not about language, but about failure, in whichever form. 172.58.46.138 (talk) 18:50, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

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