Talk:Oy, to ne vecher

The "reduced" four-verses version appears to be comparatively recent. One change seems to be that the winds are now "злые" instead of the original "буйны". This version is attested for 2002 here, so that's a terminus ante quem.

The "Налетели ветры злые " could be a snippet from another song, published in 1996. But otoh, the 1996 lyrics could conversely be a citation of this song, which would date the "new" version to before 1995. --dab (𒁳) 12:06, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Bichevskaya (1996) already has the modern ("ветры злые") version. It is possible that it is hers, and also that the title "Kazachya Pritcha" is due to her. But to verify this, we'd have to review the Ariel version of 1978, it may also be theirs. An "evil wind" is a Tolkien expression, and as Tolkien became popular in Russia during the 1970s to 1980s, I can well imagine that the ветры злые date to the Ariel rock opera of 1978. this hypothesis has to be scrapped, as "evil winds" is also found in 19th century Russian poetry.

So on a shady website I found a recording which claims the "artist" is Pugachev (that would be quite a rarity). I assume the track is from the 1999 recording of the 1978 rock opera. Since it is also the "evil winds" version, I am inclined to assume that it indeed dates to at least 1978. --dab (𒁳) 09:55, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

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I can attest that this song was indeed sung by Bichevskaya in the seventies - my family owned her record where she sang this song. Here is a video with a a picture of the cover of that record and the song being played: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZYAty7UTT8 Also note that already here she sings "злые".

And here is a live performance where Bichevskaya says "For many years I used to hide my authorship and some think itäs a folk song. [...] But now many years have past and I can admit - the lyrics are traditional, the music is mine." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUD-JxmRcXc -- Not_Logged_In 19:54, 24 May 2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.227.139.229 (talk)