Talk:Pāṭimokkha/Archive 1

untitled comments
I'm going to copy and paste the list from "Access to Insight edition"

"Copyright © 1994 Thanissaro Bhikkhu Access to Insight edition © 1994 For free distribution. This work may be republished, reformatted, reprinted, and redistributed in any medium. It is the author's wish, however, that any such republication and redistribution be made available to the public on a free and unrestricted basis and that translations and other derivative works be clearly marked as such."

Wikipedia and GDFL fit into reproduction of material "on a free and unrestricted basis and that translations and other derivative works be clearly marked as such." Vapour
 * I listed all the rules at Copyright Problems because this does allow commercial redistribution.-- Birgitte§β ʈ  Talk  14:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

merge of the three Vinaya Lineages
it would be good to make a merge of the Pratimoksha of Tibetan Lineage, the Patimokkha of the Theravada Lineage and the Dharmaguptaka Lineage. These three are the present existing Ordination Lineage of the Buddha deriving from his disciples to the present...--Kt66 17:08, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Reccomendations for "Access to Insight edition" Patimokkha
The BMC is a much elaborated explainations on the application of the Patimokkha itself, and it merges both the Bhikkhus and the Bhikkhuni's Patimokkha rules together.

Maybe this source will be helpful for people who want to know more about Patimokkha rules of Bhikkhus and Bhikkhunis in their differences in a much summarised way.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/vin/sv/bhikkhu-pati-intro.html

The Major differences are at the Pacittiya section.

May all be well and happy Buddhosavaka (talk) 19:34, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

wtf is "mouth-to-mouth (sexual) intercourse"?!
...I don't get it, is this refering to "kisses"--Esteban Barahona (talk) 20:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Not advisable to merge Patimokkha with Pratimoksha
In the spirit and understanding of the term Patimokkha with Pratimoksha itself is different.

Patimokkha in the sense of Theravada refers to the code of discipline for the fully ordained Bhikkhus and Bhikkhunis. For Novice and Lay disciples, the basic code of discipline are known as "Sikkha Padam" or Training rules/precepts.

We can know more about it when we start to understand that the Patimokkha rules is the summary of the rules contained in the Sutta-vibangha in the Vinaya Pitaka.

Although Patimokkha in sanskrit is "Pratimoksha", but when we refer to the term "Pratimoksha", it includes the bodhisatva Vows and training rules for both lay disciples and the ordained order.

Furthermore, it no longer consist only the rules in Sutta-Vibangha, but also Bodhisatva vows which are to be found in Mahayana Suttas instead of their Vinaya.

Purely in the sense of (四分律), the Bodhisatva Vows were not included, although the Mahayanist had 250 Pratimoksha rules for Bhikshus and 350 Pratimoksha rules for Bhikshunis compared to the 227 and 331 of Patimokkha rules in the Sutta-vibangha.

It would be advisable to leave them on seperate articles, but with links for people who want to understand more on this "realm" of Patimokkha rules.

Buddhosavaka (talk) 19:24, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It is worth mentioning that the etemology of both terms, patimokkha and pratimoksha, has nothing whatsoever to do with regula. In the Udana Atthakatha, for example, in the Meghiya Chapter [223] we read from Masefield's trans., sans diacritics, "For it is the Patimokkha (patimokkham) since whoever keeps watch over (pati), guards, [sic] this, him it frees (mokkheti), sets free, from dukkhas such as those belonging to the states of loss and so on" (p. 575). But there is a lot more besides this - more than I can type!  Both terms can be summed up as referring to liberation, i.e., mokkha, for the one fallen (patino) into duhkha. This is a far cry from regula.  In fact in the Mahapadana Sutta (Digha-Nikaya 14) the Patimokkha described there makes no mention of regula (there a like Patimokkha in the Dhammapada, too, but I don't have the citaiton handy).Songhill (talk) 16:30, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Suggested move to: Patimokkha in Theravada Buddhism
The existence of both Pratimoksha and Patimokkha pages is a source of confusion. This page is specific only to Theravada, and so unless anyone objects with some good rationale, I am planning on moving this page to "Patimokkha in Theravada Buddhism". To me, the use of Pali vs. Sanskrit is not enough to disambiguate these two pages in any clear manner. Additionally, pages that currently link to "Patimokkha" should redirect to "Pratimoksha" unless they are referring to something specific in Theravada Buddhism. Tengu800 19:05, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

An extra info
I found this info may help to understand the Patimokkha and it could be added as an external link

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/bmc1/index.html

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/bmc2/index.html

Although I don't agree with some of the statements which I consider a bit controversial as reflecting to the current age, by large it is a good work. Perhaps the book of Freedom Wherever We Go : A Buddhist Monastic Code for the Twenty-first Century (Paperback), by Rev. Thich Nhat Hanh, ISBN 1888375442, PY 2005, is a complementary work to the old stake - User:220.236.202.158, 05:44, 3 July 2006‎
 * They are now at http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/bmc1.pdf and http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/bmc2.pdf . Ogress smash! 06:08, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Merger revisited
See disussion here: Talk:Prātimokṣa.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 15:50, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

cost of gold and theft
With the current price of an ounce of gold a few hundred dollars shy of $2,000 USD, 24% is about $400. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:f598:ba60:365:b814:a95b:54ac:351a (talk) 22:21, 31 October 2021 (UTC)