Talk:Pōmare II

Question regarding date of death
Some other sources, like this one:

http://www.janesoceania.com/tahiti_royals/index2.htm

give his date of death as 1824 - do we have a reliable source?

Pōmare II in Turnbull
Turnbull: "A Voyage Round the World: In the Years 1800..." gives his name during the regency of Pōmare I ("Pomarre") as "Otoo" (O Tū); as this was also used for P. I it might be that "Pōmare II" was not adopted until his father's death. Turnbull gives also some details on the king's emerging alcoholism, etc. Dysmorodrepanis 11:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Confusing dates - when exactly was he king?
The article is confusing when it comes to the years of his regency. I admit I am very confused, and I can't be the only one. In one version, he was king from 1815 until 1821 (though his predecessor became king in 1820). In another version, he was king from 1782 until 1803, despite the facts that 1) his father was king until 1791 and 2) his father installed him as king in 1791. I also says he was "under regency from 1782 until 1803". Perhaps his father abdicated as king/monarch in his favor, and then remained regent (not monarch, but regent) during his minority. But under which years? Can any one clarify this? Is is really extremely confusing. Perhaps the dates is simply not known, but if so, that should also be stated in the article so that readers does not think the article is messy and untrustworthy. --Aciram (talk) 19:13, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Let me explain. Tahitian history can be confusing. Traditionally it seems fathers abdicate to their sons because of children have higher rank than parents. Pomare I was the last do this in 1782 when his son was born.hh From that point onward he was regent for his son, but he was still a de facto monarch. The 1791 date wad his installation ceremony and is sometimes stated as the date of abdication in some sources.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:29, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I need to go back to the source. What is confusing is it that he may have abdicated his title over Arue to his son in 1782, but Tahiti as a political entity did not exist till 1788 when Pomare defeated many of his rival. The difficulty with these reigns and dates and titles is that Tahiti as a united kingdom was a political fiction at the time forced on the natives by strong men alligned with Western powers. Even though Pomare I was able to coerce most of the chiefs to submit to him in 1788; a truly united Tahitit didnt exist till aftet Fei Pi in 1815.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:35, 8 June 2016 (UTC)