Talk:P. J. Kennedy/Archive 1

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When we say was an american politicial, is that strictly true? The page doesn't say he held any elected or appointed office, so shouldn't we say an american businessman and perhaps and founder of the Kennedy political dynasty ? -- Finlay McWalter 15:20, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

As the current version of this page makes clear, he very much did hold elected office, although his power as the political boss of East Boston was not based on that. Tom Cod 27 June 2006

We also have to disambig with his great-grandson (of the same name), son of Ted Kennedy. -- Finlay McWalter 15:20, 8 Nov 2003 (UTC)

More biographical information here: http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/kennedy7.html

Early Life
I'm not sure how accurate the article is. By the time PJ's parents had emigrated in 1849, the Penal Laws had been repealed, and there were no restrictions on Roman Catholic education. In addition, in their book on the Kennedys, Collier and Horowitz say that PJ's father, Patrick, came from a prosperous farming family, in a part of Ireland least affected by the famine. They claim that he emigrated, "to improve his fortunes". In the light of this I've made some modifications.

Name
He ought to be referred to as 'Patrick' or preferably as 'Kennedy', not as 'P.J.'81.170.31.107 (talk) 19:30, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Parents’ meeting
The article for his father says they knew each other in Ireland. This article says they met on the boat. Which is right? —  crism ( talk )  05:09, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Better not the JFK navbox
Yes we know he's the grandfather of JFK. And also Ted and Robert. But since you are adding the navbox John F. Kennedy, I'll link to WP:NAV, and quote: "an easy way [to] the subsidiary articles". Well, apart from JFK being part of his offspring (the family navbox is already there), there is no relation with JFK's presidency or notability whatsoever. Not with Cuba, PT-109, his SC judges. Anyone on this PJ page who is interested in that, shall click a JFK link. The same, of course, for Robert, Edward. -DePiep (talk) 14:32, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I didn't see this message earlier (not on my watchlist), so my apologies for adding back the template without discussing it here. JFK knew his grandfather for 12 years, quite a long time for a child, and so was directly affected by him. If grandparent's of presidents have Wikipedia articles it just seems natural to add the template of their presidential grandchild to their page (should always be collapsed). The rules on templates are not set in stone, and the placing of this template on this page (I didn't add RFK and Ted Kennedy's back) - a presidential template - seems like a good fit. I won't go to the wall for it, and revert if you'd like, yet I can't see the reasoning for removing it from the page of a very close relative. Randy Kryn 22:08 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Working with his mother?
'At the age of fourteen, P. J. left school to work with his mother and three older sisters, Mary, Johanna, and Margaret, as a stevedore on the Boston Docks.'
 * This reads oddly, as though his mother and sister were also stevedores. Did they have any connection with the docks? It says the mother ran a stationery shop. Valetude (talk) 17:46, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Machinations
'...he found campaigning... to be less appealing than the behind-the-scenes machinations that characterized so much of Boston politics in the late-nineteenth and early-twentieth centuries.'
 * A very discreet hint at the outrageous corruption of Democrat municipal management in that era. Perhaps a bit more meat on the bones, eh? Valetude (talk) 18:25, 23 November 2014 (UTC)