Talk:PNC Arena

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RBC Center or RBC Centura Center?
 * It's RBC Center; being an NHL arena that is therefore often on Canadian television helps with advertising back home as well as promoting the brand in NC, hence just RBC Center.

I'd like to remove the part about having the loudest arena. At least the 145 decibel part. I live in Raleigh, watched all the games, and the highest I remember seeing was a 134 mark recorded by an RPD officer with a noise meter. At the very least, that was held up on screen during the televised broadcast. Until we find citation for the 145 number (which frankly sounds very unrealistic), I think we should replace it with the lower number, or leave it out entirely. NCSUPiMaster

According to The Hockey News (July 2006 Vol. 59 No. 37 page 6), under Ring the Alarm, an unofficial reading of 134 decibels was measured during Game 7 of the SCF. The loudest reading ever at an American sporting event. Svandijk

Alright, I'm gonna add that into the article and replace the 145 part. NCSUPiMaster

Yeh my bad about the 145. I was at game 7 (when they showed it on the jumbotron) and i just misrecalled the number. 134 is correct. sorry about that. Go canes. Bobbyschultz

Why not keep the link pointing to the North Carolina State University page in the tenant section? Ncsupimaster 05:17, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Revision as of 07:29, 22 March 2008 - Leaving a note of the last revision of the article the noise record was included on as I heard it mentioned again Jrod 62 (talk) 08:33, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

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Proposed move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. This really should have been moved when the discussion was closed. While I'm not convinced that consensus was for the move, I'm not convinced that moving the article back would be the best action at this time. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:58, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

RBC Center → PNC Arena – relisted--Mike Cline (talk) 17:38, 10 March 2012 (UTC) Name change becomes official on March 15, 2012. I ran into controversy when proposing the move of U.S. Cellular Center. Officially, there are now two arenas by this name, but because of some strange policy quirk on Wikipedia and the opinions of two people, you have to go to the article for another arena and follow the hatnote. Actually, it's no worse than it would be if that became a disambiguation page.

Now this article says the name change officially takes place March 15. I want to see if that really results in a move here, or whether this article goes through the same bureaucratic hoops as the other one. Perhaps there's some difference in how the two arenas changed names.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 22:15, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Clearly, PNC Arena should be created as a redirect to this article (and with it, a hatnote should be added to this article directing readers to PNC Park and PNC Field, perhaps via a disambiguation page). But here's the rub: We title articles according to what reliable sources use when referring to them.  The question as to when to change the title, then, is dependent upon when reliable sources start using the new name.  Powers T 00:48, 3 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Don't move until at least March 15 when the new name takes effect. This type of issue happens all time when NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL stadiums and arenas announce changes to their naming rights. And many users like me oppose premature moves before the new name officially takes effect, and before reliable sources also start using the new name on a regular basis – and in this case, the NHL and the Carolina Hurricanes also start officially using the new name. In the most recent example, last early October when it was announced that Mercedes-Benz bought the naming right to the Louisiana Superdome, that article experienced an edit war and move protection. The consensus, archived here, was then not to rename it Mercedes-Benz Superdome until the actual day the new name took effect. The same kind of thing should happen here. Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:47, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * And to answer the question the nominator posed about how this situation may be different from the one regarding the U.S. Cellular Center article: First, there is no other article that currently exists that exactly has the "PNC Arena" name. And second, we are dealing with a venue of the NHL, one of the major professional sports leagues in the United States and Canada, not the home of a minor or development league that may not be well known to other parts of the country, and therefore there will be many more national reliable sources that will catch on to the new name after it becomes official. Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:18, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course the move takes place on or after March 15. I wasn't saying that it should happen now. It has never been clear when U.S. Cellular Center became the new name of the Asheville arena.— Vchimpanzee  ·  talk  ·  contributions  · 18:41, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Strong Agree here either on March 14 at 23:59:99 or sooner. MarketDiamond 18:41, 7 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Move after it officially changes per Zzyzx11. -DJSasso (talk) 19:47, 9 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Moves should only occur when they are in accordance with WP:AT. No case has been made for this at all. The change of an official name is a good reason to look for evidence that the common name has changed or will change, but that is all. It is no reason for proposing or supporting a requested move. Please, people, do your homework! Andrewa (talk) 21:19, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure you are familiar with the sports media and reliable sources here in Canada and the United States that cover the major professional sports leagues here. Whenever one of the NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL stadiums or arenas officially change their name, organizations like ESPN, USA Today, and scores of others start to use the new name immediately. And this is especially true if such a name change occurs on the same day that the venue is hosting a game, and the reliable sports news sources need to post their "game preview" or "pregame" articles. And it just so happens that the Carolina Hurricanes are hosting a game on March 15. This inductive reasoning should not completely invalidate this move discussion, especially when you have experienced users like DJSasso and me who frequently edit the NHL-related articles, who are more familiar with their past discussions and disputes, and would prefer a more commons sense approach to this similar case rather than a strict interpretation of the letter of WP:AT. Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:59, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If sports media and reliable sources here in Canada and the United States (my emphasis) do as you say then fine, but someone needs to provide evidence of this at some stage. This evidence could then also be used in developing a local naming convention under WikiProject Sports for example, dealing with these sponsored major professional sports leagues (or perhaps just their venues, you tell me) rather than going through this debate on every occasion. Common sense is good, but too often a synonym for my opinion, and note that the section you quote is from an essay with the caution at the top Consider these views with discretion. But I think it's a very well written essay, and I think my opposition to this move is completely in accord with it. And I think you'll find that WP:AT actually accomodates any valid renaming need already, and if not we can appeal to WP:IAR and fix WP:AT in time. But we still need evidence not just opinions. A local naming convention is often a useful shortcut, and it sounds like one might be good here. I'm not trying to be legalistic, but if we don't give some regard to the policies there's not a lot of point in having them. Andrewa (talk) 10:18, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: Agree that the situation with respect to U.S. Cellular Center needed further work after the recent failed RM. This seems to have happened, or at least be under way; I did some of it. See also WP:POINT. Andrewa (talk) 21:19, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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