Talk:PSB Insights

New proposed draft
In recent months I've been working with the communications team at Penn Schoen Berland to create a better version of this entry. Now that it's ready, I've uploaded it to my userspace here: User:WWB Too/Penn Schoen Berland. Because of my conflict of interest with PSB as a topic, I'm looking to find an editor and / or admin willing to review the draft, offer feedback, and ideally perform a histmerge once there is consensus. Please note, whoever does so, categories have been temporarily disabled so my draft doesn't show up on category pages, and will need to be re-enabled.

First thing, an overview of what's wrong with the current version, collapsed for convenience:

Here's an explanation of what's changed / improved in the proposed draft, likewise collapsed for convenience:

I welcome any and all feedback on this draft. I'm also going to place a request for review at WikiProject Companies and WikiProject Cooperation, although I will try to keep all substantial discussion here. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 20:17, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I've left a request here for Qwyrxian to look over the draft.


 * Thanks for outlining everything like that, it makes this whole process so much easier. I've read over your draft and it's definitely much better and I don't see any issues with it. And you're making the article less promotional as a whole, which amuses me a bit. :P Silver  seren C 01:55, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, very appreciated! And I'm glad to hear you find it less promotional than the current version; I do think they are better-served by a well-rounded, MOS-appropriate article than what's here now. Qwyrxian, if you see this and have any questions, I'll be keeping an eye on this page. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 16:03, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll be looking into it within the next 24 hours. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:02, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It's now complete. I think that we should use a comparison between the old and new articles as a stellar example of how PR editors (or editor-for hire; I'm not exactly certain of what WWB Too's business relationship with his/her company's is) can, if they work ethically and responsibly, make articles significantly better. The previous version did not mention the accusations of push-polling for Bloomberg, nor did they capture the right tone in the Venezuelan election (that academics think PSB or their subcontractors actually made substantive mistakes). This version clearly shows that paid editing itself is not the problem. Rather, it's entirely about the ethics and writing ability of the editor/firm, along with their understanding of our rules--that is, the exact same question we must ask of every editor. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:27, 4 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you both very much for taking the time to work on this. Regarding the question of my relationship to PSB: I was approached by them directly to research, rewrite and represent them here, on a consulting basis. I'll also be keeping an eye on the page for them for awhile yet. And while I don't typically seek attention, I'd be happy for this (or any of my work, really) to be viewed as a model for constructive COI engagement, particularly to show that it can be done without direct edits. As to the latter point, Wikipedia could really use more volunteer editors, like yourselves, willing to hear out company representatives. It's definitely a two-way street: would that more from both sides of the divide would travel it. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 12:45, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Two additional questions
Thanks, Silver and Qwyrxian for helping with this article. I have two more, minor requests—adding the logo, and a note about the naming of an interim CEO, Jay Leveton:


 * I've uploaded the logo here, with a fair use claim for its inclusion on this article specifically. At 195x245 px it should be of a suitable size for the infobox, but feel free to resize as you see fit.


 * I also suggest adding a new final sentence to the last paragraph of ''1990s and 2000s:


 * In October 2012, Burson-Marsteller executive vice president Jay Leveton was named PSB's interim CEO.

If this looks OK, the markup is here:

As always, please let me know if you have any questions. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 14:22, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I added the logo (shrunk just a little), as I didn't want someone to tag it for "fair use not in use". I'm about off to bed, so rest will have to wait for tomorrow. Qwyrxian (talk) 14:37, 10 October 2012 (UTC)


 * And i've completed the other one. Silver  seren C 16:34, 10 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you both! WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 16:53, 10 October 2012 (UTC)